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Clueless CT ReviewDVD Talk has posted what I think may be the first really harshly negative review of Cinematic Titanic. I remember reviews of MST3K: The Movie that were like this. Some people are just much too personally invested in movies, I guess. I could tear this one down myself (and I may, later) but I’ll let you guys have a go at it first.
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DVD Talk…
First I’ve heard of it. Who is this person and why do they matter?
“DVD Talk…
First I’ve heard of it. Who is this person and why do they matter?”
One of the finest DVD review databases around, and my personal favorite. It’s been around for a long time, and is now even better since that uncouth monster Geoffrey Kleinman sold the site.
To reveal ignorance of the site suggests either you have no online acumen whatsoever or you still use a typewriter.
oh god!!! never heard of DVD talk?????
you MUST be a MORON!
Oh heavens to betsy!!!
i’ve never heard of it either.
Go eat a dick, ryan s.
I totally disagree with the reviewer’s sentiments regarding MST3K and CT, but you know what, some Rifftrax products sorta make me see where he’s coming from.
The whole discussion brings up an interesting topic though – should only bad movies be riffed?
The “mission” of MST3K and CT seems to be to make fun of small, obscure bad movies and intentionally or not, recycle them into something new and hopefully more amusing. Rifftrax seemed to start out that way but because of the nature of the product (I’m sure the fact that millions of peole have “Raiders of the Lost Ark” in their video/DVD libraries helps potential sales) has taken on mostly well-known and several really good movies.
I mean, do many people really have a problem with Spider-Man 2? To me, riffing a decent effort is a bit more meanspirited than what CT does (not to mention piggybacking on something’s popularity).
re 102, 103 & 104
I’d never heard of DVD Talk either. I must be chipping this out on a stone tablet. Ha.
“oh god!!! never heard of DVD talk?????
you MUST be a MORON!”
Well…yeah, you are. What are you confused about here?
well im not shocked by people not having heard of dvdtalk it really is the best website for dvd reviews so dont hate it just for this one review.
and just my thoughts on the subject i dont really care what mr galbraith thinks of cinematic titanic i still nejoyed his commentary on astro monster (my fave godzilla movie) and i respect him for the work he has done with the genre.
maybe he is a little uptight but ive learned from various jobs that the world needs some uptight people to keep going.
Surprised no one here has made the obvious comment — the guy’s review is just plain boring.
Honestly — it took me three days to get through it.
(I can only imagine the horror that is a hardcover book written by this guy. Might very well last me the rest of my life in terms of trying to read the whole thing).
I couldn’t even finish it because I chuckled at the jokes they described as bad.
@Cornjob
“The whole discussion brings up an interesting topic though – should only bad movies be riffed?”
Cornjob, our answer to that at Rifftrax is: no.
It’s purely a matter of personal taste whether someone agrees with that, but our general position is NOT that whatever movie we riff = “bad movie that needs to be taken down.”
You’re right that it’s evolved, but mostly in terms of marketing. We weren’t comfortable with the original tag line “some movies have it coming,” since it was inaccurate, and sounded too mean-spirited… esp. with some of the movies that we actually like quite a bit.
I’m a big fan of the Lord of the Rings movies, as well as Raiders of the Lost Ark, but I enjoyed riffing them nonetheless. Our riffing is just meant to add the possibility enjoying them in a different way. And it often involves making fun of the movies themselves, but Lord knows that was also true on MST3K.
As far who “deserves” it, that’s not part of our discussion when deciding what to do next. Yeah, availability of the movie is.
cheers,
bc
What a joyless load that Galbraith guy is.
Oops, sorry. Bad cut and paste at end of comment 110.
Meant it to end at “bc.”
bc
(just checking…
OK, clear)
I have all the respect for SG4’s expertise in Japanese films in general and J-sci-fi in particular. I really do recommend “Monsters Are Attacking Tokyo” as required MSTie reading material. It’s too bad he has such a bug up his butt about MST, he’s even trolled RATMM in the past.
Bill,
I cut your bad cut in 110. I got your back, dude.
Trust me you should see the reaction he got here. His mentor (Bill Warren) tried making fun of my grammar.
http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/18734?page=1
Stuart is a mean and bitter one. You should see him at this DVDtalk forum thread about the issue.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=539249&___rd=1
here’s what this guy wrote about mst3k back in 1993:
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.tv.mst3k/browse_thread/thread/74d81ec0da1bfff3/2efc1952e25f5a7a
Wow…
I’m an idiot because I’ve not heard of dvdtalk…
What a great community of people we have here.
Wow. While I’ve heard of DVD Talk, this is the first time I’ve ever visited their site. I generally avoid reading movie reviews because I don’t want my enjoyment of a film to be influenced by someone else’s opinion. I figure if I like it, it’s a good movie. I don’t need someone else to tell me whether to like something. I certainly don’t need this guy. We clearly don’t share a similar sense of humor.
“What a great community of people we have here.”
You won’t be missed.
@Erhardt
Seeing this a bit late… Thanks Brian.
And such integrity, given that the messily pasted stuff was nothing but lavish praise for the site, Chris, and yourself.
bc
Ryan S – You’re tearing this family apart!!
As to the reviewer, and there’s no need to make fun of his NAME – that’s getting ridiculous – but I think I know what his problem is.
You see, he WAS a fan of the show years ago, and they just never put his fan letters up on still store. He’s been disgruntled ever since.
(No).
But we’re not getting PO’d at the fact he doesn’t like the show or other offshoots of it like CT (okay, maybe SOME people are), but it’s just the way he puts things. If he doesn’t like it, that’s fine. People DON’T like the same things or have the same senses of humor – if they did the world would be a boring place, indeed.
But to insinuate that everyone who was involved in this show or who likes it is a moron or a cretin is bad form. No one should have to put up with sitting through a movie they paid to see in a public place being talked over (unless that’s the purpose of the viewing), but you can’t blame the show for that, they didn’t invent it. People have been talking over movies, I imagine, since they started showing them.
If you like the show, fine, if not, fine, too; but like the reviewer said himself, comedy is subjective, no need to get nasty towards those who don’t have your tastes. And that’s what he was coming across as doing.
The makers of these shows DO have some appreciation for other people’s efforts and are just having fun pointing out the flaws – just like some of those guys were doing on the other site pointing out each other’s grammatical and spelling errors.
Good night, and may God bless.
#121 – Bravo, sir (or madam). You, my friend, took the words from my mouth.
It’s just some one else’s opinion.
The End.
These were the dumbest comments of this guy’s rant…
“It’s as if people like Hodgson et.al., lack the talent to create their own, original comedy, so instead like parasites they latch onto the efforts of others. ”
“Another problem I have with shows like this is that they perpetuate unnecessarily negative misperceptions about old movies, ”
Let me tell you a problem I have with reviewers…commenting on the work of others? How dare you!!
Let me tell you another thing…throw dog poohs all over a film will ruin the whole damn genre!! How. Dare. You. :mad:
:roll:
What a doofus. I used to like DVD Talk a little bit. I think I’ll write all their advertisers and explain why I won’t be returning to the site.
#122 – Thanks. It’s madam. No, not THAT kind of madam.
I also wanted to point out that the reviewer said something about just because a movie is old, doesn’t mean it’s bad. Very true. But just because a movie is old doesn’t mean it’s GOOD, either. Some of them are overrated just for purposes of nostalgia.
Just wanted to point out that aside from being “parasites” poking fun at other people’s work, Joel, Mike & Company also came up with well over ten years’ worth of *original* comedy skits and songs. The reviewer does not seem to have noticed that at all.
okerry>luvs MST3K, Film Crew, RiffTrax, CT, etc.
@ Ryan S
Dude, you’re nobody.
There are thousands of DVD review sites on the net… Get over yourself. Be a whiney little wannabe some place else.
You are the trash of the board. I’m not going anywhere.
“There are thousands of DVD review sites on the net… Get over yourself. Be a whiney little wannabe some place else.”
Ah, petulant one. Seems I’ve touched a nerve. :cool:
Grow up and take your shots. Sheesh. And learn about the internet, not complain when others call you on your lack of experience. :mrgreen:
To get back to the topic at hand rather than attacking one another as we are wont to do so often… seriously…
In Stuart’s defense, I have to identify his position in the movie community. He is a movie connoisseur of the Siskel and Ebert set of movie critics. He watches movies as a scientist and literary idealist. I admit I do the same thing when I watch movies, and I also admit that I was just a little offended the first time I watched MST3K because the film in question was Gamera, and I was a young teenager who had been raised on giant Japanese monster movies. Growing up being bullied myself, I found it hard to accept seeing my beloved movies treated the same way. Virtually every movie that appeared on MST3K was one I had seen in my early childhood, long before they started their show. Those movies brought me to MST3K and made a fan out of me, but I had to pull out a rather large stick and lighten up to understand and appreciate it.
Stuart suffers from something I almost shared with him: the inability to separate oneself from literary thinking and to see the other side. I have read a couple of his books and have one in my personal library, and I enjoy and agree with his take on many kinds of movies. He has a love and appreciation for movies that the majority of us here share, and allowing them to stand on their own merits, for better or worse, is enough for him.
There is a defining point in many people’s lives when they learn the difference between good-natured ribbing and blatant bullying. Those who dislike MST3K, such as Stuart and my first impression self, connect with the movies on such a personal level that they see only the latter. Whether or not you accept the former as your attitude takes some degree of personal inner growth. Only Stuart can answer as to his position.
Stuart is a “movies are my life” type of person, and who are we not to agree? Where would we be without them? His argument is not completely without merit. Similar arguments came from movie critics when the color television was introduced. When “something better” inevitably comes along, then the young masses are quick to snatch it up and to leave all “primitive” format behind them. Simply put, color television was just as detrimental to black and white movies as MST3K was to movies in general. Children are fickle creatures, and adults have taught them to be such. Stuart’s negative reviews are no less detrimental to his cause because he knows that his opinion will be read and, by some, accepted. The same can be said for anyone and everyone, including myself, who has posted a comment on the subject here. It begins to fall under the heading of agenda instead of what it should be: healthy opinion. To face this medium as Stuart has, and equally our responses to his words, stands as the most potentially damaging aspect of the debate. We are throwing out a load of preconceived notions on both sides in a place where our target audience is most likely to see it, and by sinking to such opinionated levels, we strengthen our target audience’s likelihood to accept our words without forming an opinion of their own. There is a fine line between having your own opinion and attacking someone else’s. What are we trying to accomplish here? Are we trying to look at a form of art objectively, or are we simply bickering over whose opinion seems the most plausible based on how many names they use, how much skill their grammar exhibits, or how witty we can be in response to each other’s insults? Exactly when did spellcheck become grounds for credibility?
There is an old adage, “If you can’t say something nice, then don’t say anything at all.” It almost seems like it is spoken in some dead language because almost no one on either side of the debate puts it to use. Stuart is no exception, and as much as I understand his position and respect his opinion as an author, and I emphasize a good author in terms of the critical review of movies, I think that he falls into the same trap we all do: getting far too personal to the point of destroying your own credibility. We all would do well to avoid such a trap more carefully ourselves in the future.
Addendum: I just read his original Ann Arbor column from 22 years ago. Stuart seems to have based his entire opinion of MST3K on a crowd of drunk hooligans who, let’s face it, didn’t have any true understanding of or respect for the show and didn’t leave the work to the professionals. I would have been just as upset at those hecklers in the crowd; you don’t pull a riffing session in the middle of a diverse crowd of strangers. Period. You might as well be shouting, “Fire!” Nevertheless, for someone as deeply invested in movies as Stuart is, he should remember the immortal words of Rod Serling. MST3K is responsible to its audience. It is not responsible for its audience. Stuart is understandably bitter over the behavior of a few amateurish and disrespectful people (both to the sci-fi marathon crowd and to MST), and it affected his opinion of MST3K as the responsibly party overall. If I had been subjected to the same situation around the same time I saw MST for the first time, then I’m not entirely sure I would not share his feelings in the long run, but he is letting his personal feelings lead to backward thinking. A first impression is a powerful thing, and insult to injury makes it hard to change.
:evil:
To Stuart Galbraith The Fourth (huh?), thanks for providing probably the most venomous, scathing and insidiously amateurish review I’ve ever read in my entire life (lines like ‘It’s as if people like Hodgson et.al., lack the talent to create their own, original comedy, so instead like parasites they latch onto the efforts of others’ is like calling the Greek gods ‘a bunch of dickweeds’). I’m sure there are a thousand MST3K fans out there who wish to rip your body off and give the parts to the dog-like aliens from The Phantom Planet, so be warned!