“Little things you’ve noticed.”
For instance, watching “Soultaker,” I LOVE the scene where both Zach and Natalie get on an elevator to get back to their bodies on an upper floor. But the elevator they get on is already occupied by a young (orderly? intern? nurse?) man in ‘scrubs’ who has a Walkman on, and because he thinks he’s alone, begins animatedly rocking out to the music on the Walkman.
It’s at this moment that the fun begins: if you watch Natalie closely as the elevator ride begins, you can see her purposely looking down and away from the actor rocking out to the music, because every time she glances back towards him, you see her unmistakably starting to break up.
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In Final Sacrifice, after watching it a dozen times, I noticed that, in the scene where Troy is translating the writing on the map while in the cave, it makes the “X” on the map with the lighting exactly like Pipper draws it in later.
In The Creeping Terror, when the monster attacks the dance scene, the drunk guy is still stealing drinks at the bar while the monster eats the other people who are (slowly)evacuating. I noticed that after a few viewings.
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In Boggy Creek II as you rewatch the infamous outhouse scene take note that when the fellow withdraws his leg from the poop hole that his leg is covered with brown material almost up to his knee. Since he only entered the hole knee deep this would mean that the outhouse was filled with feces right up to the seat. Obviously, if that were the case in a real outhouse the aforementioned fecal material would be oozing out from under the outhouse floor. Two words – GUH ROSS!
It still bugs me every time I watch it – Why keep the disgusting crap covered pants? Were they a treasured family heirloom? They’re in freakin’ Arkansas. Go to Walmart and get a new pair.
On a similar note I’ve looked up the Pacnorse cargo ship from Final Justice on a ship website and was tempted to leave a comment about it. Maybe a screenshot of it with Mike & the Bots included. There’s another ship that I found from another movie that I can’t remember anymore.
The Pacnorse 1 in all its glory. TJ and Yousonofa had just raced past the ship when this picture was taken.
http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=6617
Now that part I can completely understand. The cost difference between a scoop of detergent and even a pair of new Walmart pants can be as important as the difference between chicken for supper or a bowl of oatmeal. Mentally, I am with you on this scene especially since the hair roller bedecked wife could afford cigarettes, but as I hope none of you have come to know true poverty gives a person a different perspective.
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I love the scene in The Giant Gila Monster when Ol’ Man Sodee Pop is racing the train in his little deuce coupe and they splice in stock footage of three or four clearly different trains. And then the “giant” lizard knocks down the bridge and an HO-scale train falls on him.
Hey, don’t underestimate the pain-inducing power of toys. I mean, have you ever stepped on a Lego? :-O
Yeah, it’s the second most painful thing I’ve experienced (after childbirth) ;-)
Has the edit button disappeared for everyone else?
YES.
I blame the French.
OMG, yes, I have, and many times. Lawgiver: I have never, to my knowledge, given birth, so I will say that stepping on a Lego is the single most painful thing I’ve experienced.
To echo another post on p. 1: There are about a kajillion little details like this that I’ve noticed in MSTied movies, they are all right on the tip of my brain, but I CAN’T REMEMBER THEM!!!!! As Crow says: “D’oh!”
Pod People was the experiment that made me a MSTie back in ’95. I’ve probably seen it a dozen times, so I don’t know why it was only within the last few years that something finally clicked:
The constellation that appears on every human’s forehead when they die is the Big Dipper. Why it took 2 decades to recognize the most recognizable constellation will remain one of those personal mysteries of the universe.
I dunno if it’s supposed to be the Big Dipper specifically
Tommy’s star chart is also very obviously altered to include that constellation and it really sticks out. yet… it’s never explained.
The thing that struck me about the constellation pattern left on the victims of evil Trumpy is the coincidence that there would be a Big Dipper (Ursa Major) in the night sky of whatever world they were native to.
Those are the same veal cutlets that attack Peter Graves in “It Conquered the World”. The Corman couldn’t even cough up a few bucks to buy new rubber bats at the novelty store.
If you ever get a chance to pop in to the Griffith Observatory, (scene of the spectacular finish of War of the Colossal Beast) lower level, there’s a nice display showing how the stars of Ursa Major form a completely different pattern if you look at it from a different direction. So you’re right on.
No big loss. I once used it during the Invasion of the Neptune Men discussion. After you finished your changes, it would be removed from the discussion until Sampo got a chance to approve it. IMO more trouble than it was worth.
I was watching Gamera vs Barugon yesterday and for the first time noticed that, during the Invention Exchange, several of the bubbles that Frank was supposedly squeezing out were actually drifting from off-screen.
“So you’re a woman!”
;-)
In an early scene in “The Truck Farmer,” we see, well, trucks. Crow even mentions a truck in a riff: “Oh, the great Hank gets to work on the TRUCK.”
Then, later on, Joel asks, “Wait a minute, has anybody SEEN a truck yet?”
That seemed odd to me.
Yes for me as well. Let’s hope the site is being worked on to have an Ignore Button that truly works, as blocking individual elements works but is time-consuming.
If you’re like me, and I know I am, then when you write something there is always some fine tuning to be done afterwards. Perhaps a spelling or punctuation error or a problem with sentence structure. Having the edit/modify button is a real nice thing for those of us that never quite get it right the first time.
Have I noticed little things on a re-watch? Why yes, yes I have – so much so that I created an entire thread about it *7* years ago over on The Discussion Board. You can see the whole thing in it’s entirety here: http://forrestcrow.proboards.com/thread/21002
But let me drop my favorite ones in this great WDT as well:
– A good example of an obscure, missed detail: In “Girl in Gold Boots”, when Mike is doing his imitation of Critter as his Busker in the London Tubes: Crow’s fade in and out starts with a small fire, which gradually grows bigger. In the background during the fire flashbacks, we see Servo, who is wearing a little firefighter hat. Which I think is awesomeness.
– Implied in the beginning of Soultaker, but possibly missed as there’s riffing around it: Tonya Harding’s boyfriend used to deal drugs with Dude. He says something like “I’m not into that anymore” when Dude talks to him about earning enough money to fix his car.
– Probably my favorite one, and this is a particularly good one, plus it’s obscure enough that I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere: In “The Magic Voyage of Sinbad/Sadko/Torvol”, when he’s talking to the crowd (I think it’s around the time that Crow says “..he’s still fillerbustering!”), there’s a bit of awesomeness:
Take a look at that crowd: they aren’t all real people! In like the second and maybe 4th row, those are paper-maiche dummies! Apparently they didn’t have enough people handy to make an effective crowd scene (should’ve brought in some of the 130,000 extras from “Sword and the Dragon”), so they filled the audience with what are upon closer inspection, dummies. I mean, besides the already present contingent of actors.
It appears that they’re all hooked together too, like mounted on a board or something, as when one of them moves, they all do. (I just checked it out again – on the YouTube version, you can first see it at about 27:24, just when the guys yell “Give us Barrabus!”, and then it’s shown again at about 28:08 when Crow is saying “He’s a populist, you just can’t stop him!”.)
– This one is just fantastic, and since someone else brought up a ship in a background scene, it fits nicely:
In “Mitchell”, when our.. ahem.. hero is posing as a chauffeur, and he picks up a nice old lady and her bags at the port (“You and I are going to rule the ghetto, young man!”). The ship that is right next to the car in this scene is called the “Kef Falcon”. (Sadly, it didn’t make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs).
In any event, this ship had a short life; only 22 years. It was built in 1955 and was sent to the breakers in 1977. It was only named the “Kef Falcon” for about a year, from 1974-1975. So it just happened to be at the port near LA during that short time frame while this scene was filmed, and while it still had this name.
If you’re remotely interested in it’s short history, here’s the link to the ship and it’s life: http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2347050
– Near the end of the movie, when Comfort (aka – Miss Callogen Lips) is about to be given an electric bath, Cooper is being escorted out in the hallway by an un-named henchman and Charity Farrell (the lovely and delightful Miss Mell… rowrrr). Charity is holding him at gunpoint.
When Cooper hears Comfort crying out, he turns for a second and looks back at Hench and Charity, as though he’s unsure what to do. Charity, in response, lowers her gun, as if to say “Go for it – I won’t shoot you”.
I thought it was a nice bit of subtlety, and it happens quickly enough that it would be easy to miss.
– Another one from “The Magic Voyage of Sinbad” – this one is a bit of an obscure call-back, and unless you’ve seen both episodes you obviously wouldn’t get it. As a matter of fact, even if you *have* seen both episodes, you might miss it:
In “Sinbad”, the opening segment is the “First Anuual SOL-tie Awards”. Joel introduces the presenters for the award (“Best Performance by a Gumball-machine-looking robot”) – the presenters are Crow and Gypsy. As Gypsy comes into view, they play a short little musical refrain, and it’s the music from her one-woman show from episode 422-“The Day the Earth Froze”, “Gypsy Rose Me!”.
I’ve seen both episodes numerous times, and it was only because I had seen them in close proximity to each other lately that I thought to myself (while watching the SOL-ties in “Sinbad”) – “Hey.. that intro music for Gypsy sounds familiar…”
– In “The Sword and the Dragon” (a completely under-rated episode, in my opinion) – when Ilya encounters the Wind Demon (Cleanup’s a breeze, thanks to Wind Demon!), as the wind blows them back a few steps, and Ilya says “Do not fear this Wind Demon…” – the horse is sort of back on it’s haunches, but then stands back up again (“Chestnut Grey is the Chevy Suburban of horses.”). When they show him standing up, that’s not Chestnut Grey at all! Just like in Sinbad, it’s a dummy, or at least in this case, a big, horse-shaped puppet. You can see the mechanical action when he stands up, and then the scene sort of jump-cuts to Ilya and the horse walking toward the Wind Demon, where Ilya throw his club in a stinger-worthy moment.
– Here’s one from “The Movie” that, while not particularly obscure, still hasn’t been mentioned by anybody before as far as I know.
Cal is flying from Washington DC to the west cost after his meeting. When he’s standing on the tarmac, talking to the reporters (“Remember me..” “I’m the wormy guy!”), you can see the n-number on the tail of the plane: 29546.
However, the arial footage that they had of the plane in flight was apparently filmed from the ‘wrong’ side – when he’s flying (“John Sununu goes for a haircut”) you’ll notice that the n-number is backwards.
I figure that in an effort to show the audience that he was really flying to the west coast, they reversed the film to show that he was flying ‘left’.
– Just noticed this recently in “The Day the Earth Froze” – during the Circus short, when the horses come out, the announcer on the short refers to the as “Pamilinos”. They’re “Paliminos”, but Joel and
the bots don’t catch it.
– Giant Gila Monster – Even though I’ve seen this episode, what, a million times? I just noticed last night during the “act like your favorite drunk” sketch that when ‘drunken’ Gypsy (and her creepy arms) kisses Joel, it actually leaves a big lipstick mark on his face.
– Catching up with a classic today, “I Accuse My Parents”.
When Jimmy is on the lam, he eventually ends up outside of Al’s Cafe. If you listen closely, you can hear Tom Servo humming a song. What’s he’s humming is the Suzanne Vega song, “Tom’s Diner”. It’s subtle enough that it’s easy to miss, but it fits the scene nicely and even ties Tom himself into the hum-riff, which I thought was nice.
There you go. These were my observations in the thread – other people threw in a few as well. Won’t you, won’t you?
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In an episode I don’t remember Mike reads a fan letter from a Lisa. I’ve seen it many, many times but only in the last viewing did I notice he says Lisa in Richard Kiel’s Dr. Kolos voice.
I’ve seen this mentioned elsewhere and it too happened to me – It took me many viewings to realize Dr. F chows down on Frank’s eyeball that he had scooped out in an earlier segment in Catalina Caper.
The tramp in Pod People is wearing a Broccoli Rubber Band on her head? Is she a Crenshaw?
Frederick Douglass aka Grady the Janitor is reading Fangoria whilst the Zombie Nightmare is happening outside his room.
That’s the one near the Roddy McDowall monument, right?
And be sure to tell them you’ve taken a course in observatory maintenance and can climb around on giant telescopes with the best of them! Unless you haven’t.
;-)
It took many, many viewings to notice this example. In OATMB, Pearl shows off a tote bag and says that it’s brown and sturdy. But it’s blue and has a hole in it. I still don’t know how I missed that the first 15 or so times I watched it.
One of the riffs that took me several viewing to finally get is in Hercules Unchained
Before Queen Omphale’s suicide there’s a close-up of her with the glycerine tears streaming down her face and Crow yells out “Iron Eyes Cody”, but for some reason I heard it as “Ionized Coating.” What the Hell would that even be? Something related to how much eyeshadow she was wearing, I guess…
That’s from the non-Turkey Day version of Night of the Blood Beast. It’s about as far into the letter as Mike got before he let Crow go off on anti-baby rant.
Ah, the non-Turkey Day version of NotBB (which I didn’t get to see until disk)–
Which also had the just-before-commercial-sign moment where Gypsy is singing her version of the Happy Telephones song from “Once Upon a Honeymoon”…And when she sings “I’ll line you up against the wall and pop goes the weasel”, Crow adds to the Marx Brothers/Duck Soup ref by singing Groucho’s “Ahh-ah-ahhh” chorus.
Getting back to the assignment, I’ve surely noticed lots of things about MST3K movies/episodes over the years. I just can’t summon any on command right now.
Because unlike some of you folks — unlike The Brains themselves — I actually don’t get obsessive over trivial errors.
Except for my own, that is. :-)
I sometimes lie awake at night and worry that I’ve not obsessive enough…
What a lot of people seem to forget is that, until relatively recently, most filmmakers were incapable of imagining that people would one day be able to peruse their films over and over and over in excruciating detail from the comfort of their own homes instead of in, you know, THEATERS, which don’t allow for pauses or zoom-ins or other such techniques.
And even the few who could imagine it never thought that it would actually happen.
Besides, for a large percentage of them, it wasn’t even about quality, it was about getting something, anything, into the theaters.
As I’ve noted before (I am aware that I often return to the same point over and over and over, and I try to always keep that in mind) that’s one of the reasons Roger Corman is considered such a successful director (“good” being something else entirely). He’s famous for getting films done on-schedule and under-budget. THAT’S what mattered to most filmmakers throughout most of film history. Sure, now and then you got people who really cared about the craft, like Orson Welles and John Ford and Alfred Hitchcock and Ed Wood* and so on, but for the rest, quality shmality, the film industry is a BUSINESS and there was money to be made.
So give ’em a break now and then, for heaven’s sake. The poor, ridiculous saps.
;-)
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*No one can say that Ed Wood didn’t LOVE making films. No matter how low the budget or how preposterous the premise, he always gave his films his absolute very best. That’s what’s so tragic, really…
when i we watched Angels Revenge, i notice that when they are at the beach, it was the same place they filmed Planet of the Apes (aka damn you all to hell part). its Point Dume:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Dume