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Episode guide: 1105- The Beast of Hollow Mountain

Movie: (1956) An American cowboy living in Mexico discovers his cattle are being eaten by something, and eventually he finds out what it is.

Opening: Painting day on the SOL
Invention exchange: Jonah has the Disco Cannon; Kinga asks “What if the Titanic had hot water?”
Segment 1: Tom and Crow describe their ideal monster movies
Segment 2: Tom unveils his new fashion line, “The style of Hollow Mountain”
Segment 3: Tom and Crow are festival creatures making Jonah and the Mads increasingly distraught
Closing: How movies would be improved if characters were eaten by dinosaurs
Stinger: Sarita speaks softly and throws a big stick
1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (43 votes, average: 4.00 out of 5)

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• This one was pretty good. I laughed a lot. The movie is one of those incredibly stupid but watchable bits of nonsense and the riffing and host segments are generally where they should be. The festival creatures sketch is a riot.
• Callbacks: “Watch out for snakes!” (Eegah!), “This is where the fish lives” (The Touch of Satan).
• Speaking of callbacks, what about “milling about”—a phrase used during season one to describe a Mexican town? Did Joel resurrect that one?
• Many many years ago, in the early days of the web, I stumbled upon a homemade site that celebrated (a little too much, it seemed to me) movie characters caught in quicksand. I forget if this one was included, but it should have been.
• Crow makes a reference to “special parts.”
• I love the running gag of Margaritathe maid dashing off to see her favorite TV show
• Crow sings a version of the theme song. Tom says “Meta!!”
• Cast and crew roundup: Co-director Edward Nassau supervised the dinosaur sequences in “The Lost Continent.” Producer Edward Nassour was animation supervisor on that movie as well. Willis O’Brien, who did design work, worked on “The Black Scorpion.” Writer Willis H. O’Brien was supervisor of special effects for “The Black Scorpion.” Margarito Luna was a crane operator for “The Black Scorpion.” Composer Raul Lavista was musical director on “Samson vs. the Vampire Women. Visual effects artist Jack Rabin was special photographic effects creator for “The Saga of the Viking Women,” “Rocketship X-M” and “Invasion USA.”
In front of the camera, Mario Navarro, Pascual Garcia Pena, Roberto Contreras were in “The Black Scorpion.” Guillermo Hernandez was in “The Robot vs. The Aztec Mummy” and “Samson vs the Vampire Women.” Margarito Luna was in “Samson vs the Vampire Women.”
• Fave riff: “Has anyone seen my accent” Honorable mention: “I mind! Get this gringo off me!”

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  1. Cornjob says:

    Was I the only person reminded of a big gulp by the strange costumes in the ethnic parade? The stampede looked like the cattle had gotten in to the cocaine and Red Bull.

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  2. Stoneman says:

    Sitting Duck: As soon as I read it, I remember (vaguely) the cartoon you allude to in relation to the riff type “And the crowd goes wild!” (J&TB, deadpan: “yay”). Also, the poster (sorry, I couldn’t find the specific post after a quick search) who mentioned the celebrating questers in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail”. Thank you for the reminders and the memories.

    I’ve been reading all the posts so far, and while some fans aren’t exactly overjoyed with the new show or specific segments of it, I stand by my rating of this episode as a very strong one. I have watched every episode at least once now, and overall I am very pleased with the show. Except for the Christmas episode: I made it halfway through that ep, and it just wasn’t clicking for me. When we get to that ep on it’s Saturday, I’ll try it again. Finally, I DO like the reworking of songs by the Skeleton Crew band, but not sure about the costumes they wear. Although it works a little better if I think about it as a tribute to the goofy costumes on display in past eps, e.g. “Escape 2000”, “City Limits”, and “Warrior of the Lost World”.

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  3. About the skits not having an ending — Monty Python was famous for this and even commenting on it (I think it was Cleese who said something along the lines of “Well, we’d not know how to stop our skits so we’d just walk into the next one and continue from there”. You can see this in a lot of their shows.

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  4. docskippy says:

    Cornjob:
    Fun episode. It’s good to know you can always depend on a Caucasian cowboy in 19th century Mexico to be the most honest and decent man in the county.

    It’s also good that you can always count on the locals to speak excellent English (some almost without accent, too). I guess Mexicans hadn’t invented Spanish yet in the 1950s.

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  5. Sitting Duck says:

    docskippy: It’s also good that you can always count on the locals to speak excellent English (some almost without accent, too). I guess Mexicans hadn’t invented Spanish yet in the 1950s.

    Presumably the characters in the story are speaking Spanish, but the actors speak in English for the benefit of the American audience. Think of it like Allo Allo where the language a character is speaking is indicated by what sort of campy accent the actor is using.

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  6. docskippy says:

    Sitting Duck: Presumably the characters in the story are speaking Spanish, but the actors speak in English for the benefit of the American audience. Think of it like Allo Allo where the language a character is speaking is indicated by what sort of campy accent the actor is using.

    Hm, I think that’s giving the movie an allowance it doesn’t deserve and hasn’t set up. Moreover, if the cinematic device you describe was in effect (as it clearly is in, say, The Mole People), then why would our hero occasionally use some Spanish words in his dialogue?

    Oh wait, I think we should really just relax.

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  7. MSTieScott says:

    The Original EricJ: The only other example that springs to mind is the opening seg of Manos, where Joel programs the Bots to be his sycophantic admirers, which gets worse to the point that Joel finally says “Y’know, I’m starting to think this wasn’t such a good idea–We’ll be right back”.And just as they cut the sketch to commercial, Trace’s still-sycophantic Crow gets in “Here, see this butt?Please kick it.”
    That’s not an “ending” either, but that and the commercial break are perfectly timed caps off the sketch.

    I would argue that “Joel realizes his mistake” qualifies as an ending. I’m not looking for anything amazing — just something that shows the writers put forth the effort to finish what they started.

    And I agree that it’s fine to break the rules if the end result works — my argument is that in this case, it didn’t work. They diminished the hilariousness of the sketch by bailing on it. And truthfully, it probably wouldn’t have hit me the way it did if I hadn’t just snapped at the run of lack-of-effort song parodies and/or if Jonah hadn’t underplayed the announcement of movie sign*. For me, this was the result of a bunch of little things adding up.

    In any event, I see that I’m of the minority opinion on this one.

    *Actually, I realize that Jonah’s delivery in this sketch was at the same maximum intensity he’s been performing in all of the other sketches. But after Patton’s great reactions, it felt underplayed by comparison.

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  8. littleaimishboy says:

    It’s just so much more realistic to have non-English-speaking people speak their own language with an English translation of what they’re saying floating in little white letters in front of them.

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  9. docskippy says:

    littleaimishboy:
    It’s just so much more realistic to have non-English-speaking people speak their own language with an English translation of what they’re sayingfloating in little white letters in front of them.

    Isn’t that what you see when people speak foreign languages in your presence? Or is that just me?

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  10. littleaimishboy says:

    docskippy: Isn’t that what you see when people speak foreign languages in your presence? Or is that just me?

    Try the mushrooms, they make the letters show up in all kinds of amaaaazing colors ….

    :)

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  11. Johnny's nonchalance says:

    littleaimishboy: Try the mushrooms, they make the letters show up in all kinds of amaaaazing colors ….

    :)

    http://www.newsweek.com/mushrooms-global-drug-survey-lsd-mdma-hospital-615022

    “If there was such a thing as a safe drug, then magic mushrooms would be it—at least that’s what a new study by the Global Drug Survey (GDS) found.”

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  12. Did that stunt man get killed when the horse rolled over him after sliding down the mountain? It looked really bad! The other stunt man started moving after they fell, but our hero’s stunt man was as still as a corpse!! Hopefully, he was just knocked out.

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  13. Colossus Prime says:

    OHoh say can you see…

    This movie is just such a massive slog. The acting is on par for the style of movie, all the characters are either plenty likable or detestable as needed, Panchito is an absolutely adorable little kid, but with the “beast” only showing up at the very end without any actual intrigue surrounding it… just painfully slow.

    We do get some absolutely great host segments. The Disco Cannon is the only low point for me, and even that’s not bad. Love Patton going for a drink of hot water, love the monster movie ideas, love all of them. But segment 3 is absolutely right up my alley. Just sheer bizarre madness.

    The riffing is top notch. But it barely makes the movie watchable, which is sad. Honestly I can think of so little to comment on because the movie is so bland.

    Fav Riffs:
    Enrique: Why don’t you go back to Texas where you came from?
    Jonah: I’m from Connecticut!

    Jonah: Time to change my Facebook status to orphan.

    Crow: It’s a fixer upper, nice curb appeal, and truth be told it’s DANGEROUSLY haunted.

    (Sarita runs to the top of the hill, bends over off screen just enough)
    Jonah: Excuse me… (makes vomiting sounds)

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  14. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    First of all, the super-obvious (to me) riff that they missed:

    Harlan Ellison’s The Beast That Shouted Beast at the Hollow of The Mountain

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  15. Sitting Duck says:

    Regarding the issue of everyone speaking English instead of Spanish, it might be of interest that the IMDB entry for this film indicates that a Spanish language version was shot back-to-back with the English language version.

    Favorite riffs

    This movie wasn’t released, it escaped!

    The good, the bad, and the guy who, let’s say, has a great personality.

    “It’s the shadow of that cursed mountain.”
    It plays spooky music when you look at it.

    Judging by the sounds effects, they’re either in Mexico or the Congo.

    Plucky sidekick or the monster’s first victim? Only the movie knows for sure. Let’s watch.

    If there’s anything that spells comic relief like an alcoholic single father mourning his dead wife, I can’t think of it.

    “Why don’t you disappear back to Texas where you came from?”
    I’m from Connecticut!

    “I’m milking the cow.”
    “And I am feeding the ducks.”
    That’s a bull and those are pigeons.

    That’s a lot of suspenseful music for two horses and a stick.

    Visit scenic wherever this place is.

    I came here to kick butt and chew bubblegum, and bubblegum hasn’t been invented yet.

    “The telegraph operator is Enrique’s cousin.”
    We all are. It’s a small town.

    “It’s not Chuck E. Cheese, but there are mice here.”

    If I die, turn my pants into a circus tent. Not one of those snooty cirque shows. A real Mexican circus with werewolf children.

    So this is dating? A girl asks you to meet her in a cemetery fully armed?

    “A date in a graveyard does make a guy wonder.”
    Unless it’s Tim Burton.

    “Well, if she doesn’t mind, then I don’t.”
    I mind! Get this gringo off me!

    The Common Central American Pancho searches his native swamplands for the strategic booze deposits he hid the previous winter. This will give him the buzz he needs to secure and bury other deposits of booze throughout the swamp. And the cycle of life goes on.

    Is Pancho really worth four wet socks?

    He’ll never know the joy of seeing his father die from liver failure.

    I’ve got to get to the train before those steers take all the good seats.

    I can’t believe I have to marry Prince Humperdinck. Wait, what movie is this?

    The cattle must have gotten a restraining order against the cameraman.

    Do I follow the scary brass music or the gentle beckoning flutes?

    We’ll stop him with the power of hugs.

    Uber Pickups of the Old West.

    Now to do some fancy rope tricks and bore the monster to death.

    Almost a flawless movie, then they go and spell through wrong in the last frame.

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  16. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    I have for some reason spent years thinking that the Beast of Hollow Mountain was orange. Go figure.

    I found myself moderately interested in the soap opera plot; that’s one of the best effects MST3K has, for the riffing to make a film that you’d never watch unriffed entertaining. Who here would’ve watched High School Big Shot, Racket Girls, Teenage Crime Wave, and so many other pedestrian dramas without MST3K?

    As for theories about the Beast, well, as soon as it showed up, it was all in everyone’s face, it’s harder to theorize when running for one’s frickin’ life. Besides, there were no scientists on the scene to offer theories in the first place. Then, once it was dead, who cared? “Well, THAT happened, huh…?” It’s the stereotypical “siesta effect”, I guess. Or the “we should really just relax” effect…

    Under other circumstances, Panchito would’ve been in time to rescue his father and lure the Beast to its destruction himself. If only it had been Panchito’s movie. Unfortunately, Panchito failed to realize that he was but a minor character in SOMEONE ELSE’S movie…

    I initially thought that “Panchito” was Spanish for “little boy” and I was like “how little imagination do you have to have to name your son “little boy”?” However, it’s “muchacho” that’s Spanish for “little boy,” so that was one on me…

    I have to admit that the thing with the cabin was one of the few examples I can think of an effective use of the “Chekhov’s Gun” principle. It hardly served a purpose in the plot until it served the ultimate purpose of monster siege.

    Which reminds me of an almost totally unrelated point, a riff that would probably be applied to The Incredible Shrinking Man if it were riffed. Okay, picture it: Scott Carey is fleeing for his life from the (to him) giant cat. He dashes into the dollhouse, slams the door behind him, and is kind of, you know, leaning against it, the way you do when you slam a door on whatever you were running for your life from.

    A moment of exhausted heavy breathing.

    Scott: I tawt I taw a puddy tat…

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  17. thequietman says:

    Less talk, more horse spanking! C’mon!

    This is one of the few times a movie truly caught me off guard. Not knowing anything about it prior to seeing the episode, and having not paid much attention to the poster on the ‘liquid tv’ canister, I thought the gag was going to ‘but there WAS no monster’ and it would all be metaphorical. The ‘Beast’ would actually be the conniving Enrique, get it? So when that dinosaur turned up, wow, was I taken by surprise! That, the bizarre Segment 3, and Kinga/Max ‘love it!’ moments during the fashion show combined for another fun watch.

    Fave riffs

    I’ll ride on the horse, you can ride on my shoulders, and maybe the horse on top!

    “When a man is in love, he is not himself.”
    He’s another, stupider man.

    [In the cemetery]
    Jimmy, this is sacred ground! You’re riding an animal that eats 20 pounds of hay a day and has no control over its bowels! Do the math!!

    [Margarita]
    Buster Keaton was into drag?! I’m putting that onto Wikipedia immediately!

    Okay, at a certain age pigtails should be a ‘sometime’ thing.

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  18. TheAngryBanjo says:

    While the riffing in this one was good enough to save the slog that was the movie, the biggest laugh my brother and I got out of this one was just seeing the dinosaur stomping around with its tongue waggling like it was a member of Jurassic-KISS.

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  19. Lisa H. says:

    touches no one's life, then leaves: I initially thought that “Panchito” was Spanish for “little boy” and I was like “how little imagination do you have to have to name your son “little boy”?” However, it’s “muchacho” that’s Spanish for “little boy,” so that was one on me…

    -ito is a diminutive, like adding -y or -ie to names in English (Bill -> Billy). So he’s being called “little Pancho”.

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  20. bartcow says:

    I like this one more and more with each viewing. The invention exchange is still kinda meh for me, but the other segments are gold. The “WHAT IS HAPPENING” Segment 3, in particular, has a lot of the OG MST feel.

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  21. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    bartcow:
    I like this one more and more with each viewing. The invention exchange is still kinda meh for me, but the other segments are gold. The “WHAT IS HAPPENING” Segment 3, in particular, has a lot of the OG MST feel.

    I liked it quite well the first time but watched it again the other night and like it even more. The beast is just so WTF, outta left field. The riffing during the rock ’em, sock ’em fight scene in the town/market area was great, and I actually liked more of the movie characters than is typical for me in a MST-ed movie. This one gets five giant mystery footprints from me (and why can’t we rate this one, Sampo?).

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  22. Terry the Sensitive Knight says:

    This one was good until the dinosaur showed up, then it was awesome! Gotta love that tongue.

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  23. docskippy says:

    Jimmy and his good buddy are living down in Mexico on a ranch. Kind of like Cary Grant and Randolph Scott.

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  24. Terry the Sensitive Knight says:

    The Original EricJ: Aside from just repeating the movie title over and over as if that itself was a poke at the movie (a bad SciFi/RiffTrax habit)

    THE HORRORS OF SPIDER ISLAND!!!!

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  25. Terry the Sensitive Knight: THE HORRORS OF SPIDER ISLAND!!!!

    A SWING PARADE!….From the YEAR 5000!

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  26. Terry the Sensitive Knight says:

    The Original EricJ: A SWING PARADE!….From the YEAR 5000!

    TERROR…. FROM THE YEAR FIVE-THOUSAND!!!!!!! is the episode that made me a MSTie, if you can believe that

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  27. Sampo says:

    Yeti of Great Danger: (and why can’t we rate this one, Sampo?).

    Why do I have a suspicion it has something to do with the problems with our host we’ve been having? I’ll look into it.

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  28. Terry the Sensitive Knight says:

    Sampo: Why do I have a suspicion it has something to do with the problems with our host we’ve been having? I’ll look into it.

    yeah, the host sucks. And to be perfectly frank(about Frank) I absolutely hate the comments system here

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  29. Yeti of Great Danger says:

    Terry the Sensitive Knight: yeah, the host sucks. And to be perfectly frank(about Frank) I absolutely hate the comments system here

    To be perfectly frank (TV’s Daughter of TV’s Frank) I miss the numbering of the comments and also look forward to the day that the ignore button works as intended. Thanks, Sampo!

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  30. Sampo says:

    Yeti of Great Danger: To be perfectly frank (TV’s Daughter of TV’s Frank) I miss the numbering of the comments and also look forward to the day that the ignore button works as intended.Thanks, Sampo!

    Me too!

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  31. Mr. Krasker says:

    Yeti of Great Danger: To be perfectly frank (TV’s Daughter of TV’s Frank) I miss the numbering of the comments and also look forward to the day that the ignore button works as intended.Thanks, Sampo!

    I don’t need the Ignore button to work perfectly. I just need it to work for one particular user.

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  32. fatbarkeep says:

    Personally, I can ignore anybody I choose. No button necessary.
    I do miss the numbered posts, though. Made referencing much much easier.
    Not complaining, just saying.

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  33. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Were there any Zorro riffs? The presence of an alcalde practically demands Zorro riffs.

    I’m mildly concerned that “modern riffers” just can’t meet the standards of obscurity set by Joel, Mike, and the others. That’s probably why with all those shouts of “PANCHO!” we didn’t get even one “CISCO!” in return (unless I’m wrong); these kids today with their hula hoops and their dungarees have probably never even heard of The Cisco Kid, let alone Fibber McGee or Rat Patrol or so many others.

    The arguably disproportionate number of Star Wars riffs (among others) are also highly indicative of a younger generation of riffers. Joel was in his late teens when A New Hope premiered in 1977; Return of the Jedi premiered in 1983, only a year after Jonah was BORN. Similarly, Joel watched Star Trek during its original prime time run (I mean, I’m presuming), thus “I’m not going back, Jim,” “Help me, Spock,” and other such riffs. Stuff like that’s gonna make a big difference. So it goes.

    Sitting Duck:
    “Why don’t you disappear back to Texas where you came from?”

    alternate riff

    “Well, who do you think sent me HERE in the first place, you idiot?!”

    Let’s pause to appreciate the irony of a Mexican telling a Texan to “go back where he came from.”

    Okay, that’s enough of that.

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  34. A while ago some other web site gave me the idea that every movie is better with velociraptors. So I put together a list to prove it. My list only overlapped with the closing segment at “Velociraptortown”.

    The Grand Velociraptor Hotel
    How the Velociraptors Stole Christmas
    High Plains Velociraptor
    Schindler’s Velociraptor
    Harvey (the Velociraptor)
    Fifty Shades of Velociraptors
    The Velociraptors of Navarrone
    Velociraptortown
    Reservoir Velociraptors
    Velociraptordemic: Shock and Terror
    Goodvelociraptors
    101 Velociraptors
    The Way the Velociraptors Were
    Julie and Julia and Velociraptors
    The Time Traveler’s Velociraptor
    Velociraptor: The Sickle Claws of Fate
    Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Velociraptors
    Brokevelociraptor Mountain
    Velociraptor in Love
    2001: A Velociraptor Odyssey
    Forrest Velociraptor
    Harry Potter and the Velociraptor’s Stone
    The Velociraptor Redemption
    12 Angry Velociraptors
    Star Wars: The Velociraptor Menace
    Star Wars: The Velociraptors Strike Back
    Star Wars: Return of the Velociraptors
    The Seven Velociraptors
    V for Velociraptor
    Velociraptors at Nuremburg
    Mr. Velociraptor Goes to Washington
    No Country for Old Velociraptors
    The Bourne Velociraptor
    The Good, The Bad, and the Velociraptor

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  35. docskippy says:

    Endoplasmic Reticulum:
    A while ago some other web site gave me the idea that every movie is better with velociraptors. So I put together a list to prove it. My list only overlapped with the closing segment at “Velociraptortown”.

    The Grand Velociraptor Hotel
    How the Velociraptors Stole Christmas
    High Plains Velociraptor
    Schindler’s Velociraptor
    Harvey (the Velociraptor)
    Fifty Shades of Velociraptors
    The Velociraptors of Navarrone
    Velociraptortown
    Reservoir Velociraptors
    Velociraptordemic: Shock and Terror
    Goodvelociraptors
    101 Velociraptors
    The Way the Velociraptors Were
    Julie and Julia and Velociraptors
    The Time Traveler’s Velociraptor
    Velociraptor: The Sickle Claws of Fate
    Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Velociraptors
    Brokevelociraptor Mountain
    Velociraptor in Love
    2001: A Velociraptor Odyssey
    Forrest Velociraptor
    Harry Potter and the Velociraptor’s Stone
    The Velociraptor Redemption
    12 Angry Velociraptors
    Star Wars: The Velociraptor Menace
    Star Wars: The Velociraptors Strike Back
    Star Wars: Return of the Velociraptors
    The Seven Velociraptors
    V for Velociraptor
    Velociraptors at Nuremburg
    Mr. Velociraptor Goes to Washington
    No Country for Old Velociraptors
    The Bourne Velociraptor
    The Good, The Bad, and the Velociraptor

    Duck, You Velociraptor! (or its original Italian title, Giu La Testa, Velociraptor!)

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  36. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    thequietman:
    Jimmy, this is sacred ground! You’re riding an animal that eats 20 pounds of hay a day and has no control over its bowels!

    I thought horses just didn’t bother to make the effort to control their bowels. Every day, something new…

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  37. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    On another note, I continue to hope that Season 12, like Season 2 before it, will begin with a new voice for Tom Servo. I think many here will concur, it just plain NEEDS TO BE DEEPER.

    If there was a Kickstarter to pay Kevin and Trace however much it would take to get them to reprise their roles, I’d so contribute…

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  38. Umm! These Are Good Hot Dogs! says:

    Sitting Duck: Presumably the characters in the story are speaking Spanish, but the actors speak in English for the benefit of the American audience. Think of it like Allo Allo where the language a character is speaking is indicated by what sort of campy accent the actor is using.

    Or like Doctor WHO where the TARDIS would automatically translate any language.

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  39. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Another thought about “explaining” the Beast: Well, they SAID the mountain was cursed, remember? A curse can explain anything. ;-)

    Kenneth Morgan:
    I agree that this one kind of resembles “Last of the Wild Horses”, right up until the Beast arrives.And it works really well for the show.It’s fairly entertaining, but has a whole lot of riffable moments.

    As probably not all that many people noticed, Duke “Last of the Wild Horses” Barnum’s shirt strongly resembled that of the Rawhide Kid from Marvel Comics. which reminded me of:

    https://www.comics.org/issue/16299/cover/4/

    Which thus further reminded of how riffs about Wolverine, Deadpool, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and so on keep throwing me off balance. I’m accustomed to those names from comic books (not films, like in the relatively recent past) and the Brains rarely IF EVER took riffs from comic books (not counting stuff like the Fantastic 185 sketch).

    IMHO another weird western which strenuously insists upon or even downright demands the MST3K treatment is Jesse James Meets Frankenstein’s Daughter; hopefully the Brains could get by with only one or two gripes about how the villainess is actually Dr. Frankenstein’s GRANDdaughter…although, since her father, Dr. Frankenstein’s son, was himself a Frankenstein, I guess she still qualified as Frankenstein’s Daughter after all, just not the Daughter of THAT Frankenstein. Joel would give us a GREAT Frankenstein family tree, don’t you think? ;-)

    Other possibilities in that field:

    Billy the Kid Versus Dracula (featuring John Carradine, who used to always be even more than a hundred years old) (“A vampire…How stupid!”)

    Black Noon

    The Hanged Man (with Cameron “Captain Santa” Mitchell!)

    *Riders of the Whistling Skull (featuring ventriloquist Max Terhune “with his dummy Elmer”; yes, “the Three Mesquiteers” (a franchise of which this was but one of over a dozen films) were an action trio that included a gunslinger who went everywhere with his ventriloquist’s dummy; I…have no idea where to even start on that)

    **Teenage Monster

    The White Buffalo

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  40. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    The Original EricJ:
    The only other example that springs to mind is the opening seg of Manos, where Joel programs the Bots to be his sycophantic admirers

    You’re talking about sycophantic admirers of Joel…?

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  41. Dan in WI says:

    That was a great cold opening. I cracked up at Crow’s work. It’s a dated reference all right but who of the proper age can forget those “art test” images from their childhood comic books and magazines. The ad told us to draw those images and submit them to see if you qualify for art school or something to that effect. I never applied.
    Well Tom Servo and I sure have a different answer to Jonah’s overarching question: How many times has this happened to you? You wanna be at a disco but you’re not at a disco. For me the answer is a round number: zero. But then I was recently watching the We are Twisted F’in Sister documentary and smiling at their anti-disco rants from back in the day.
    To those who say that the effects of this new MST have become too high tech I give you the props used in Kinga’s Titanic invention. That is pure cow town puppet show.
    Also I loved Max drinking from the hot water hose. Once again this shows how much he has earned the name TV’s Son of TV’s Frank. Nobody channels Frank better than Patton.
    After that great opening and invention exchange the in movie host segments are just pedestrian and the closing was meh. Still the movie was watchable and the riffing while not great was solid and workmanlike.

    Favorite Riffs:
    Some background jungle noises are heard. Crow “Judging by the sound effects they are either in Mexico or the Congo.”
    Jimmy, Felipe and an extra ride by. Jonah (sings) “I’m a cowboy. On an actual horse I ride. And I’m wanted.”
    The horse is spooked dragging Pancho. Jonah “The amazing thing is this wasn’t even in the script. It just happened and they let the cameras roll.”
    Enrique takes a swing at Jimmy. Jonah “I’ve come here to kick butt and chew bubble gum. And bubble gum hasn’t been invented yet.”
    Don Pedro as he walks away “I’m sorry.” Tom “You’ll smell why in a second.”
    Sarita is waving to get Jimmy’s attention to no avail. Then she taps her chest. Jonah “Is this thing on?”
    Jimmy to Sarita “The last time we were seen together…” Tom “It turned into a Summer Slam.”
    Don Pedro “What are you going to do.” Jonah “The same thing I do every night Don Pedro. Try to take over the world.”
    The dinosaur sticks its hand in the shack. Jonah “I want my two dollars.”
    Panchita runs off from Sarita to escape the dinosaur. Jonah “No time for love Dr. Jones.”
    The end credits appear. Jonah “Almost a flawless movie and then they go and spell ‘thru’ wrong in the final frame. So close.”

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  42. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    gf120581:
    Did they not read the 50s monster movie rules?

    Well, not from the 1850s, no…

    MSTieScott:
    with roughly 17 years between seasons

    Hey, that’s kind of like with locusts, isn’t it? Never thought of that before.

    MSTieScott:
    Then during the last shot on the bridge, have a naked Crow and Tom walk into the frame

    Since Crow and Tom are almost always naked, that seems a rather odd caveat…

    Sitting Duck:
    Why is Sarita so dead set against Pancho working for Jimmy and Felipe? I would think that engaging in some honest work would be far better for him than hanging around the cantina getting hammered off his massive hinder.

    1. He was initially working for her.
    2. As noted in the earlier scene, she had taken responsibility for Panchito upon herself (and she probably assumed that a child would be better off with a mother-figure).
    3. At first she thought that Jimmy had covertly recruited Pancho and Panchito right out from under her nose (and was taking advantage of them, and wouldn’t that be just like a gringo?), not that they’d recruited themselves.

    Mr. Krasker:
    Also, I loved the fact that Guy Madison seemed so cheerful and delighted by the suffering of others throughout the film.

    Well, in the 19th century, if you couldn’t laugh at suffering, you weren’t going to do much laughing. :-|

    Mr. Krasker:
    Oh, and it was roughly 2/3 of the way through the film, and there was no monster!

    And then, as if a switch had been turned, as if an eye had been blinked, as if some phantom force in the universe…

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  43. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    Although it seems unlikely that anyone needs to be “sold” on Jesse James Meets Frankenstein’s Daughter as MST3K fodder (esp since it’s already been Rifftraxed), here’s a rather detailed review. Remember to consider checking the riff-it-yourself “Immortal Dialogue” link toward the bottom. :-)

    http://www.aycyas.com/liz_jjmfd.htm

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  44. Cornjob says:

    This episode just gets better each time I watch it. Strong riffing and a watchable movie. Who doesn’t like a fistfight that wrecks every table in the county, powerwalking stampeding cattle, and cowboy vs. Dinosaur action?

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  45. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    I think if the Titanic had tried to melt the iceberg, the resultant, uh, I dunno, gazillion tons of boiling-hot water might have picked up the slack in the doom department. It would take a scientist to explain it to me, though.

    Okay, so, Sarita tells Jimmy she thinks it would be for the best if he leaves because neither he nor Enrique may live while the other survives. NEXT SCENE: Jimmy tells Sarita he is in fact leaving. NEXT SCENE: Sarita says it’s up to Jimmy whether or not she marries Enrique. Uh, as far as she knows, HE LEFT, remember? And by that point he’d have to be a total idiot to show up at the wedding (which, admittedly…). In Sarita’s mind, what was supposed to have happened before she ran off looking for Panchito?

    And what was the deal with those sociopathic firecracker kids at the start of the film (I might make a Bubblegum Gang reference except that they hadn’t invented bubble gum yet, those Bubble Yum ads set in the old west (“Big bubbles, no troubles!”) notwithstanding)? Were they brought in solely to set up the Jimmy/Pancho/Sarita encounter and then simply sent on their way? Too bad the Beast didn’t get a crack at *them*…

    Charles McClelland:
    Did that stunt man get killed when the horse rolled over him after sliding down the mountain? It looked really bad! The other stunt man started moving after they fell, but our hero’s stunt man was as still as a corpse!! Hopefully, he was just knocked out.

    Well, y’are gonna lose a few.

    Seriously, stuntmen dying in westerns wasn’t uncommon.

    Brandon Pierce:
    “But, the cowboy didn’t like him so he shot him in the faaace!”

    I wonder if that was a reference to the mondegreen “But his bosses didn’t like him so THEY SHOT HIM IN HIS FACE” that some people hear.

    Crow immediately declares the riff to be “Meta!” so I suspect so. :-)

    Danzilla “Cornjob” McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology:
    -Again, if this was Season 3, Crow’s line about lining up to get the new “Aye aye iPhone” would have gotten an arm ripped off.

    Oh, come on, Joel did that ONCE

    Danzilla “Cornjob” McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology:
    -The chinstrap jokes get funnier and funnier, and the payoff comes in Segment 2, which might be my favorite of the season.Every time I see it, I can’t stop laughing.From Tom’s voice and dialogue to Crow’s silent sashaying across the screen with his chinstrap stuck to his upper lip

    But where were the Chinderwear references? Wherrrrrrrrrrre?

    Danzilla “Cornjob” McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology:
    -The day “hashtag” and “Facebook status” jokes become dated will be an interesting one for the new MST3K.One day it’ll be as foreign to viewers as the Urkel sketch in “San Francisco International” probably is to most millennials.

    That’s a variety of riffs that they obviously never had in the earlier version, so it keeps throwing me off just a bit. But I get over it.

    Danzilla “Cornjob” McLargeHuge, Student of Kaijuology:
    -Ah, Segment 3.Dare I say another classic? The gradual escalation of panic is painfully funny.When the crew return to the theater, Tom says “That wasn’t us!”Hmmmmmmmm…

    I quickly suspected that was the case and then Tom apparently proved me right. ;-)

    Max seemed to snap a little too quickly, even for him. “Who do we have to kill to slake” Dude, please. I don’t recall TV’s Frank EVER panicking to that extent.

    Volcanosaurus Rex:
    Also, at one point, Jimmy tells his partner to go “make some more formula” for the calf he’s feeding. Was baby formula, for cows, really a thing in the old west?

    I’m fairly certain that was a not-a-joke-but-an-incredible-simulation about getting more milk from the cows.

    Mike “ex-genius” Kelley:
    The movie, after all, is right in their wheelhouse.But perhaps because we don’t get an actual beast for so long (doesn’t he show up with about 10 minutes to spare?) what we really have is just a western, and while they did a few in classic MST3K, they had Frank’s expert hand and his love for the genre.Here they don’t seem nearly as confident, and it shows.

    I suspect that, uh, hm, “mundane dramas,” I guess we could say, like westerns and the crime films I mentioned earlier, aren’t priorities to the new batch of Brains. True, a disaster film isn’t SF or fantasy or horror but it’s hardly “mundane,” either. So it goes.

    As I’ve already mentioned in too many threads, there are SO MANY WESTERNS waiting to be riffed…

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  46. Sitting Duck says:

    touches no one’s life, then leaves:
    IMHO another weird western which strenuously insists upon or even downright demands the MST3K treatment is Jesse James Meets Frankenstein’s Daughter; hopefully the Brains could get by with only one or two gripes about how the villainess is actually Dr. Frankenstein’s GRANDdaughter…although, since her father, Dr. Frankenstein’s son, was himself a Frankenstein, I guess she still qualified as Frankenstein’s Daughter after all, just not the Daughter of THAT Frankenstein. Joel would give us a GREAT Frankenstein family tree, don’t you think? ;-)

    Other possibilities in that field:

    Billy the Kid Versus Dracula (featuring John Carradine, who used to always be even more than a hundred years old) (“A vampire…How stupid!”)

    Black Noon

    The Hanged Man (with Cameron “Captain Santa” Mitchell!)

    *Riders of the Whistling Skull (featuring ventriloquist Max Terhune “with his dummy Elmer”; yes, “the Three Mesquiteers” (a franchise of which this was but one of over a dozen films) were an action trio that included a gunslinger who went everywhere with his ventriloquist’s dummy; I…have no idea where to even start on that)

    **Teenage Monster

    The White Buffalo

    Though it’s a serial (and therefore better suited for Rifftrax), I’d like to add The Phantom Empire. It was the film debut for Gene Autry, and centered around how the remnants of the civilization of Mu resided in a cave system under his ranch.

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  47. Lisa H.: -ito is a diminutive, like adding -y or -ie to names in English (Bill -> Billy). So he’s being called “little Pancho”.

    …But was he a Sears Pancho?

    (I have no idea what that frequent J&tB ref was referring to, btw.)

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  48. touches no one's life, then leaves says:

    underwoc:
    Klesmer music? Why?

    Should that be “Klesmer music? But why?” Isn’t that the more customary phrasing?

    underwoc:
    and there was maybe one too many call backs to the Blazing Saddles theme song…

    That was the flatulence, right?

    underwoc:
    I want my 2 dollars!

    In those days, that’d buy you a house.

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  49. This was the first episode I watched when the show premiered on Netflix. I had already watched the previous four episodes online, as Kickstarter backers had early access to the episodes (as I’m sure some of you recall). I’ll be honest, this is the first so-so, only kinda good episode of the season. The riffing is ok but maybe not as strong as the previous few, and the movie itself is mostly a bore, only coming alive in the final act when we finally get some goofy monster action. And yeah, I did not predict the “Beast” being a bleeping dinosaur. Cheap move, movie.

    I love the “Crow is a true artist” moment during the Opening, that turtle & pirate reference makes me smile. :)
    When Jonah sends it down to the Mads, he says “The Monster Squad is calling.” Love it.
    In the Invention Exchange, I find the Disco Cannon is be explosively groovy.

    Does Kinga introduce every movie with “enter the nightmare fueled world” or some variation of? I love that term but, uh, let’s not overuse it shall we?

    Host Segment #1: I like the bots taking different approaches to their movie monsters, it’s fun. And Jonah’s space suit makes another appearance. Does this ever get used?
    HS#2 with Tom’s fashion show is great. “LOVE IT!”
    HS#3: “Why is this happening?”, indeed.

    In the Closing, that version of My Dinner with Andre sounds like THE BEST MOVIE EVER.

    RIFFS:

    ALL: “We are the Three Amigos!”

    Crow (sings): “Jim Dandy to the rescue!”

    Jonah: “Jim Henson’s Magnum P.I. Babies.” —–the return of one of my favorite running jokes! :)

    Jonah: “C’mon, Future Glue.”

    Servo: “Watch out for snakes!”

    Crow: “Mexican Walt Disney is PISSED!”

    Jonah: “I came here to kick butt and chew bubblegum and bubblegum hasn’t been invented yet.”

    Servo: “Guest director Sam Raimi.”

    Servo: “She’s shopping at Forever 1821.”

    Crow: “Lucky for you I’m lactating.”

    Servo: “That’s my purse, I don’t know you!” —-love this King of the Hill reference

    Crow: “Sorry I’m late to the movie, traffic was nuts!”

    Servo: “How ironic, the Beast’s greatest fear is getting messy.”

    Jonah: “I want my two dollars!”

    Crow: “Look out someone cut my brakes!”

    Servo: “You were great last night.”

    Servo: “This is where the fish lives.”

    Jonah: “Has anyone said ‘watch out for snakes’ yet?”
    Crow: “Yeah, I think we did.”
    Jonah: “Oh shoulda saved it for now.”


    Overall a good episode,
    I give it 3 out of 5 sombreros filled with salsa.

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  50. Terry the Sensitive Knight says:

    touches no one’s life, then leaves: On another note, I continue to hope that Season 12, like Season 2 before it, will begin with a new voice for Tom Servo. I think many here will concur, it just plain NEEDS TO BE DEEPER.

    My biggest complaint for the new Crow/Servo voices is that they’re often hard to tell apart. So yeah, it would help if Servo’s was a bit deeper.
    Maybe not Josh-level deepness, but Kevin-level deepness is fine

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