What references or assessments made in the show or ACEG do you disagree with? I mean, not everyone hates high energy prop comic Carrot Top or there wouldn’t be anyone going to his shows, right? Maybe there are MSTies that love Gallagher, Carrot Top or Jim Carrey. My personal disagreements with the writers are minor in nature. I may stand alone on this (like Tom and his affection for “Blanksy’s Beauties”) but Jim Varney was not as terrible as they implied. Of course the Ernest character was idiotic but he took it and made a very funny Saturday morning show back in the late ‘80s. It was on the air at about the same time as “Pee Wee’s Playhouse.” It only lasted one season and was silly at times, but also sly and satirical (sound like any other show you know of? Hmmmm?). My other dispute, even more minor, is that in ACEG Michelle from “Girl in Gold Boots” is referred to (I think by Paul Chaplin) as “zaftig’. Whenever I watch that episode, I think to myself ”I should be so zaftig”
I have one I mentioned in the episode guide: I’m a huge Counting Crows fan and, while Adam’s “wounded soldier of love” schtick can wear a little thin after a while, in general I don’t find it, or the band, repellant. The bit was still funny, though.
Is there any riff or observation where you disagree?
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You know that paint-by-number Rothko sketch? Well, Rothko’s paintings were anything but a solid color. They’re quite complex and used layers and layers of different colors to achieve the effect he wanted. There are plenty of painters out there who have used one or several solid blocks of undifferentiated color. But Rothko is not one of them.
They probably know that, but Rothko is a recognizable name and the sketch was funny anyway.
@50. Josh does talk about America’s Funniest Home Videos in his interview on the new DVD set. He told the people at ABC straight-away that he didn’t like the way the show was written. I guess they agreed and let him rework the show.
Can someone help me with something? Is Jimmy Page in the movie Operation Kid Brother? Every time I watch it my wife says, boy that sure looks like Jimmy Page. I know this is not the beat place to ask this, and maybe it’s been mentioned in the past. But I was just wondering.
I have to say that I’m okay with them ripping on anything they want to, they are comedians after all. Once you have to start worrying about offending one group over others, you open the door to, I
dunno not censorship, but a watering down of comedy. Remember Itchy & Scratchy? “Lemonade?”,
“Please!”
I like Gallagher!! Sorry Joel!!
Drop everything and head over to Wal-Mart right now. Go to electronics and look in their $5.00 DVD bin for “The Essential Ernest”. You won’t regret it. Jim Varney was so much more than just Earnest.
i usually like it when they are mean. i’m kinda harsh with my humor as is the wife(and 5 yr old son!) so mean is a way of life. i never thought when they were picking at someone that they meant it, just making fun in a mean way.
BUT NEVER TALK BAD ABOUT ERNEST! KNOWWUTEYEMEAN?
I found their later anime jokes disappointingly lazy. To go from S2’s signing the Mach Go Go Go theme to ‘ultraviolent porn cartoons’ is a let-down.
Most of the HEY (S)HE’S xx material comes off as similarly uninspired.
Then you get RT’s “we couldn’t think of a riff related to the movie, so boy that pop culture person sure does suck lolamirite”. Ugh.
A lot of the time, the Brains seemed to have overly negative views of Hollywood movies in general. Movie Megacheese and A Year at the Movies both have some pretty negative views in them of some decent films, to the point where I had to reconsider how ‘loving’ their barbs at the MST’d movies had been.
Whenever it seemed the riffing was getting mean-spirited, I never took as “boy, they must really hate [Japan, redheads, the South, industrial arts, etc.]”, but more of a reaction to the (usually) insipid way it was being presented on screen. It’s the same kind of humor you’d get from stubbing your toe, then declaring that all coffee tables must be ground into dust. You don’t really mind coffee tables when you’re toe’s not throbbing. I’m going to call this the “No Springs” variety of humor writing.
I’m sure I made a point in there somewhere. Let me know if any of you find it.
Oh, and I love The Smiths, but Mike’s Morrissey impersonation was spot-on. Could also double for Robert Smith of The Cure.
#29: I’ve never thought about Robert Z’Dar having acromegaly. It’s never mentioned in any of his bios that I’ve seen. Rondo Hatton did suffer from it, and you can tell the writers weren’t sure how far they could go in The Brute Man. I think they toed the line fairly well. The movie around him provided enough fodder.
I grew up in the South (south MS, which is as about as Southern as you can get without getting wet), and I’ve never been offended by any of the Southern jokes. They do enough Midwestern skewering to balance it out, but even without that, it’s all pretty standard stuff.
If MST offends you, please remember to stay away from Carlin, Hicks, Kinison, Pryor, Oswalt, Cross, or comedy in general.
Anyway, I almost forgot…just a show…relax.
Well, a lot of my peeves has been covered, so I’m going to be kind of nit-picky and say whenever they misquote famous lines from other films. The one that leaps to mind is from Sidehackers where they over and over again misquote the “Rommel, you magnificent…” line from “Patton.” (Hint: it’s not magnificent S.O.B.) It’s worth it, however, for Trace’s George C. Scott impersonation. Oh, also, the Godzilla Geneaology Bop: Godzilla mutated from a dinosaur. Not a baby alligator or any other “pets that were released.” Just sayin’.
Part of the thing I love about the fact that I NOW live in the Midwest (grew up in North Carolina) is that it is so much sweeter for me when they make fun of the Midwest. It’s so much easier to laugh at things you relate to.
We at Best Brains were not always in agreement about what we liked and disliked. Mike Nelson hates Jim Carey with the force of a thousand suns, but I am a big fan (this might be the reason I was never asked to do a Rifftrax). And although very few of the Brains agree with me, I am a huge fan of progressive rock in general and Yes in particular. I think “The Yes Album,” “Fragile” and “Close To The Edge” are all masterpieces and to this day J. Elvis Weinstein rolls his eyes and showers me with good natured derision whenever the topic of my beloved Yes comes up. But it may be possible that I wrote some of the Yes jokes back in the MST3K days because however much you might love them musically there is still an air of pomposity about their presentation that any comedian just has to make fun of. And speaking of being made fun of, I appreciate how you Jim Varney and Gallagher and Ren-Fest fans are speaking up. In the age of empty snark that we live in, sometimes the bravest thing a person can do is admit they like something that all the “cool” kids disdain. I happen to love the movie “Titanic” and anytime I say so all I am throughly ridiculed by my Cinematic Titanic cohorts, and just about everyone else I know (and now that I’ve gone public it’s more certain than ever that I’ll never be asked to do a Rifftrax). But I don’t care, when I love something, I love it, and no one can make me not love it. And I am comforted by the fact that the Cinematic Titans are all still my friends despite my love for “Titanic.” That’s how much they love me.
I LOVED the Del-Aires, and have been trying to track down a 45 with “Zombie Stomp” on it for the past 11 years (for those of you who haven’t found it yet, here’s a good tribute page: http://www.badmovieplanet.com/3btheater/tributes/delaires/delairesindex.html). That said, I didn’t think they were very fair with them.
I thought that Mike’s review of Tim Burton’s Batman in Movie Megacheese was unfair because it implied that the movie was an adaptation of the Adam West series. The neo-noir atmosphere that that movie achieved wasn’t kitschy at all! On a related topic, the riff “This music sounds like a good Danny Elfman song,” “So it doesn’t exist?” is probably the only one that really tears at me.
I really always chalked up their attitudes to their being Midwestern. My family is from Nebraska and Indiana and most of them take a “be sarcastic and mean-spirited first, ask questions later” attitude about life. I live in the South now and that really doesn’t fly here (although the constant “bless his/her heart”‘s get tiring). I think the fact that MST3K began in Minnesota, then, is no mere coincidence- the culture actually spawned it.
I remember disagreeing with something or another along the way–perhaps it was mentioned above–but that doesn’t mean I remember what it is. Everyone has their own opinions and preferences, and everything (yes, everything) out there is loved by somebody, whether it’s “cool” or not. You just let it roll off and move to the next joke on an ep. (How does it work so well? Volume!)
And if Frank’s going to confess to “Titanic”, I’ll add a confession of my own: I really enjoy beach party movies. Eric Von Zipper will return!
#5
I definitely agree with that. The Rifftrax short Seven Little Ducks, for example. I appreciate most of that short, but when they consistently went for the jokes about the girl’s appearance, it just turned me off. I wonder what the point of that was.
First of all it’s great to see Frank reads this stuff and takes the time to add his thoughts to something he was a huge part of and helps us to see we all have the right to like what we like. Skee-Roo what the “cool kids think. I never got upset about anything said on the show that may be about a movie, TV show or music that I liked. Even in everyday conversation I feel people like what they like, but when someones says your stupid if you like that movie, show or song they cross a line. Everything we like has to do with times in our life, some music takes me back to people I knew, dated, or lost in death so to me they’re special and nothing or no one can change that. I have movies on DVD that remind me of when I saw them at the Wakefield Cinema when I was a kid on Saturday with my friends. And if you told me back then I’d someday own these films I would’ve thought you were crazy, but when I watch them I think of those times and those friends. My wife just came home with Pizza and I gotta go eat now. But thanks Frank for being a part of this site and a big part of my life I will always thank you when CT comes to town. By the way Boston/ N.H. SOON I HOPE.
as a francophile I always felt a sting when they mocked the French, but it WAS funny so…. And didn’t someone once say, within the show, “The fat jokes hurt, but they’re funny !” ( or maybe it was the other way around… )
Aha so Frank is the ProgRock Fan.
There’s no shortage of things I like that I should be ashamed of!
I hate renfests, but I collect swords so yeah…
I am always mooore than eager to share my playlist, goodreads, and movie reviews with people and await the many groans that might come from it, because if you aren’t willing to do that, how will you ever turn the people in your life onto things they might one day love too!
MST3k was pretty goddamned geeky back in the 90s. Nobody I knew watched it. But I sures in hell tried to make it sound like the awesomest thing ever!
Btw…Titanic is like an example of a perfect movie for a hybrid movie/mst3k lover. Not only is it genuinely a quality piece of cinema, but it’s still incredibly easy to make fun of.
Not every riff was written to make me laugh. Some were written for those dislike yes, Jim Varney, redheads, Gallegher, etc. I just accept that and laugh at the other great riffs. There were thousands and thousands of riffs and there are bound to be quite a few that for you fall flat no matter who you are. This still does not change my opinion that the show was “the” best program to appear on TV – ever.
I will confess: I always liked the song “California Lady” (Track of the Moon Beast) no matter how much they beat it to death. I remember it was one of the few times we wanted them to stop riffing for a couple minutes so we could actually listen to the song.
I agree with the mentions that riffing should be viewed like roasting, especially when it comes to these guys. Look at the show itself, especially in production value. The props and sets were modest but the crew clearly was unashamed, they didn’t pass their string-suspended spaceships to be any better than those in the movies. They make digs at the actors’ appearances but they make digs at themselves, too. Mike often was called out as the epitome doughy white guy, and a splash of tacky make-up on Mary Jo and she became “hideous” in the eyes of surrounding characters. Sure, I loved Smashing Pumpkins and was really into anime and Japanese culture, and I pinched my lip at the immolating monk riff in Space Mutiny, but really folks, you’re tuning in to watch a show with comedic critics slamming vulnerable movies. It’s their job to be negative. They weren’t elected by us to represent our opinions.
That being said, I don’t envy any of their targets.
@10: That’s why I’ve tended to stay away from CT because of the one-sided political attacks. I’m a Democrat, but I find it very off-putting.
@12: I agree with you about the anime bashing. However, I doubt the Brains knew about high-quality animated shows and movies, particularly in the 1990s when Pokemon, Sailor Moon, and Digimon were unfortunately all the rage. (Though, I do like the Japanese version of Sailor Moon, which had a couple more seasons that were never aired on American television…I think the sex-changing sailor senshi might have been the reason for this, but I digress…) Even now MK&B probably don’t follow anime culture and what they have seen is the mediocrity (mostly) that’s aired on Adult Swim. I request an anime intervention! ;)
My biggest complaint about RT is that while the riffing is usually superb, the vitriol towards the movies can be awfully intense at points. Also, I sometimes wince at the gay-oriented jokes and stereotypes that are made. I don’t think MK&B are homophobic, and they poke fun at plenty of other groups, so I just brush it off for the most part.
This is my least favorite thread. :no:
Going outside of the original show, I’ll agree with the above poster re: the “Star Wars” prequels. While I understand that reaction to them has been, shall we say, varied, I think the reaction from RT goes somewhat overboard. For example, Kevin once referred to “Pantom Menace” as, if I remember correctly, “hideous” and the group said it was one of the worst movies ever made. I have to disagree with that one. “Duel of the Fates” alone puts the movie beyond that classification, to say nothing of Ian McDiarmid and Ray Park.
As for the show, there have been times where I’ve disagreed with the Brains’ opinions (Roger Corman made some awful flicks, but he also did some darn good ones, for example), I can usually brush it off and not make a big deal over it.
And it’s always good to read Frank’s posts.
#10 I couldn’t agree more. The problem with politics is that only elite comics and writers can do it without sounding intellectually arrogant, mean spirited or preachy. The only comic that I believe could do politics properly was also (in my mind) the greatest comic ever – Richard Pryor.
There are exceptions, but when I’ve looked at comedy over the years, especially the past 20 or 30, partisan politics is where comedians go when they’re simply not funny anymore. Comedy writing for the lazy.
Comically, politics is shooting fish in a barrel, even if you’re not funny, you’re appreciated by those who agree with you. The more mean spirited, the more you’re appreciated.
We’re inundated by politics all day, everyday, and MST was always a respite from that aspect of life. The moments when they go political, its like being splashed in the face and forced back into reality, so I always appreciated when they kept the politics out.
@65 Doesn’t everyone love Beach Party movies? Not even a guilty pleasure for me.
I know that the Eagles have never been my cup of tea in any case. They just seem to be a rock band for people that don’t like rock music. Yet with that being said, I can listen to any Don Henley or Glenn Frey or Joe Walsh solo album and enjoy it a hundredfold over anything the Eagles produced. Weird. Also I like Yes as well as Frank and wholeheartedly agree with his album choices.
I know that Roger Corman and Ed Wood and others get bashed in the ACEG and I take it with a grain of salt. When the show was on, it was in many cases the first time that I had seen these movies and these filmmakers and thought that “boy these flicks suck!”. But oddly enough I also became a fan of these filmmakers after a while and sought out other films in their catalogs or genres. And while Not Of This Earth or Glen Or Glenda might not be everyone’s enjoyment, I know that I became a fan.
I think the biggest beef I ever had with the Brains while the show was on was when the films would be edited for time, which is understandable, but then they would comment on the self-imposed edits as if it were the filmmakers’ fault that the film was edited so poorly. A good example is in Mitchell when they edited out John Saxon’s death scene from the film and then commented “Wasn’t John Saxon in this movie?”. For years I thought the film royally messed up but upon seeing an unedited version of Mitchell I realized that this now made sense. I guess setting yourself up for a riff in that manner seems to be cheating or making it easier in my film geek thinking.
I think the biggest beef I ever had with the Brains after the show was on would be mainly in the Rifftrax camp. The writing as of late just seems to be lazy compared to the start of the project. I loved the Film Crew stuff and think it holds up amazingly well as well as the Mike solo commentaries with Legend Films and the early Rifftrax commentaries are gems. I guess with the last couple of shorts releases, I just find myself getting them out of routine and not laughing nearly as much as I did. I certainly disagree with re-releasing several of the same shorts on different collections. I also disagree with filling space with those shorts that whoever that guy and gal team were on the last one. Wow, now they were disappointing. On the plus side I do think that Bill has really come to the forefront with great performing and the live shows are better than expected, and I really want to like the work more than I have been lately especially when compared to the Titans output.
But hell, it’s just a show and I should really just relax.
#79 Actually the brains didn’t edit that scene out of Mitchell. There are two versions of the film, one with the death scene and the television edit which does not have that scene. The brains received the latter version.
#80 Ah! That explains it. I always learn something new on this site and thank you for the clarification.
#77, you’ve inspired me to remind all fans of intellectually arrogant comedy to check out my twitter feed, my Facebook page and my appearances on the Jimmy Dore Show, the David Feldman Show, and the John Fugelsang Show for the kind of mean-spirited splash in the face of reality that me and my other lazy comedy writing friends love to impose on the American Public. Sure, we’re comedians, but we don’t care if you laugh, we just want you to agree with us! And all that time we spend writing and re-writing scripts and the hours we spend editing and tweaking our podcasts is just to cover up how lazy we are. Heck, sometimes our writing is so lazy we even use hackneyed cliches like “shooting fish in a barrel.”
#81 No prob, Although I do know what you’re talking about. Not so much editing but when the brains ignore a plot-point or don’t understand something that happens in the movie. For me it’s the scene in Jack frost when the beggar claims to be a blind cripple and then runs away from Ivanushka. Then Mike says, “Quickly regain your sight and legs.” I think the point the movie was trying to make was that the beggar was lying to get money and when he saw the bear he abandoned his charade.
I definitely agree with the sentiment about making political jokes. MST is better than that and It’s much easier to make fun jokes about the stupidity of either party or politician than to make smart jokes about the magna carta.
Sorry Frankie, I love you, but saying George Bush is dumb or Rush Limbaugh is fat is shooting fish in a barrel.
When I first heard George Carlin on “Class Clown”, it was one of the great moments of my childhood; it was the first time I laughed do hard I couldn’t breathe. It was brilliant and timeless. By the mid-80s he was angry, political and his act always felt more like listening to an old preacher than a comedian. Apart from his bank line routine, I can’t remember one single joke from that era.
Your working on a current events show meant for an audience who agrees with you politically, which I’m sure is hard work just due to the timeline involved; but I really haven’t heard many jokes about politicians that I haven’t seen coming from 5 blocks away or heard somewhere else.
Politicians write their own comedy, the work is making fun of them while not making the audience feel that their not invited to your party.
Write me a political joke that both sides can laugh at and will live beyond tomorrow afternoon, and I will send you a picture of my apology written on my butt-cheeks in whatever color you would prefer.
Sorry about my atrocious grammar on #84, it’s after my bedtime.
Outside of the show, one comment of Mike’s I found surprisingly arrogant and distasteful was during an extended 1998 interview for the CBS Early show (Youtube it) they did covering the abomination that was and is Devlin and Emmerich’s Godzilla. The guys were brought in to talk and joke about giant monster flicks. At one point, the interviewer asked them why they thought Godzilla was still so popular after all these years to which Mike replied “Um…drugs?” And then topped it off by adding that in his opinion the theme of the original 1954 was “…because I guess they were purging their guilt over the war.” Yes, Mike. Obviously one of the core objectives of Ishiro Honda and his creative team making a movie about a radioactive creature destroying a city and burning thousands of people to a crisp as a way of saying “Sorry, for going to war with you and other countries, America, look at how humble we are now by making this monster movie!” and it obviously wasn’t intended to simply symbolize the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed approximately 246,000 civilians. It was catharsis, not penance, get it?
Also, I was shocked a few weeks ago when I was watching my volume 25 copy of Revenge of the Creature and heard Kevin say (during one of the water tanks the scene at at
Sorry, my last comment got cut. There’s a bit during Revenge of the Creature where I thought they said “wetback” but I just rewatched it and it was “wetvac.” Whew.
However, I also wanted to add that during Giant Spider Invasion, near the end of the movie, there’s the bit where the crew of odd people hunkered down in the background are shooshed away (what the heck were they doing? Operating the wires on the spider or something?) and Kevin says “Hey, stop pickin’ crops, we’re trying to watch a movie! Get outta here, ya damn migrant workers!” As someone whose wife is hispanic, and who did a fair share of working in those fields before she went to college, I’m not comfortable with that line AT ALL and find that “damn migrant workers” puts the tone of the riff way over the line of what could have been just a silly, fun joke otherwise.
#84 – In 1992, Molly Ivins said Pat Buchanan’s hate-filled speech at the Republican Convention was great, “but probably better in the original German.” It was a brilliant line over twenty years ago and its still a great line today. And if you want another example of timeless political humor I would point you to Steven Colbert’s appearance at the White House correspondents dinner. I don’t have any examples of my own because I’m not as good as those people, and I am certainly not in George Carlin’s class either. I’m just saying if you don’t like political comedy, fine, that’s your taste and I encourage you to be true to that. But your snotty dismissal of all political comedy is incredibly asinine (speaking of your butt cheeks). Millions of people are entertained by the likes of John Stewart and Colbert, and I can tell you for a fact that they work incredibly hard to create the entertainment they create. And one other thing, when we express our opinions we use our real names, we don’t hide like cowards behind avatars and phony screen names. I would try to explain how ironic it is that you use “Man” in your fake name, but I doubt that you understand what irony is.
Wait Frank, you said John Fugelsang? Is this the same John Fugelsang that was in the AFV comedy duo Fuentes/Fugelsang? The same duo whose humor is used when water-boarding doesn’t cut it at Guantanamo? That John Fugelsang?
My apologies sir, I now know you work EXTREMELY hard.
Let me know your preferred color.
Uh, maybe you guys want to take this outside? Getting back to the original topic, it always bugs me when they make fun of Cissy Cameron’s age/appearance in Space Mutiny. For one thing, she’s age-appropriate (Reb Brown was 40, and Cameron Mitchell was 70)–I’m assuming she was in her mid-30s or so. And for another thing, I think she looked pretty damn good.
Yes, the same John Fugelsang who was on AFV which had those well-known slackers J. Elvis Weinstein and Trace Beaulieu on its writing staff. I guess you think those guys suck too. I am very honored to be included in the company of lazy comedians you have disdain for. And please, Mansquatch (if that really is your name), keep the jokes about the color of your butt-cheeks coming. Pure comedy gold!
Fine Frank, I’m a coward. It’s an opinion, just like the ones you throw out everyday, and you write them about people who cannot react to your comments because of their jobs. Am I really that much of a coward? Comedians throw out vile and vicious insults about politicians with absolutely no fear of retribution, so don’t try to paint yourself as a 1st amendment warrior.
I wrote a gentle opinion, I didn’t point at someone and call them an idiot to try to call then a coward. Your reaction was a ridiculous over-reaction. I don’t believe making fun of politicians, especially the way I hear it done, is particularly difficult; it’s an opinion, one I don’t believe necessitated an insult from you.
You don’t agree, fine, but BS sophomore slams about my masculinity weren’t warranted at all.
I didn’t deserve that Frank, not at all.
Also, Manquatch, it’s great that you hate political comedy so much you tried to score points with a Guantanamo water-boarding reference. Come on, man, that is just so lazy!
Wow, you got me Frank. For someone who detests the humor police, you do a pretty damn good job at it.
I’ve got a boatload of kids who will be up in a few hours, so I have to go.
Frank, even though we argued,
I still love you.
Stay well.
@MikeK
Obviously I wasn’t talking about the gruesome and disgusting actions of the *Japanese army* and the film doesn’t allude to or excuse those actions either so I have trouble reconciling how killing apprx 246,000 civilians “evens out” what some war criminals did. Not discussing this further.
@Captain Cab. Okay, but just remember that the riffs regarding the Japanese in that part of history are not groundless. That’s all.
@74 – Yes, nobody knew anything about anime in the mid-90’s except for those who thought they could get cheap jokes about A) Pokemon, B) Sailor Moon, C) hentai, or D) All of the above.
And to Mike, the fact that it Some Trend That Annoyed Him, Which Probably Had Geeky Loser Fans meant a good solid D) without the need for heavy research.
(Now, of course, in the real world, I could see most core MSTies being fans of pop-ref based comedies like Sgt. Frog or Urusei Yatsura, for much the same reason they are MSTies, but standup comics don’t tend to travel in such circles.)
IOW, for pretty much the same blind nerd-bashing reasons as Kevin’s running-gag of Dr. Who-fanboy jokes in the “Fugitive Alien” movies, without ever really having seen more than a couple isolated PBS minutes and knowing that it probably had nerdy convention fans somewhere.
(Ah, back before the SyFy New-series airings, nobody had a CLUE what Who:Classic was about, and that kept us safely joke-proof.)
And yes, there is a difference in vitriol–The original CC idea for the show was found humor, in that it was already obvious enough to be found anywhere, not that you go looking for it with a broken bottle and baseball bat.
There was a time when Dr. Who really was just a cheap BBC show that was shot on atrocious videotape. How could anyone NOT make fun of it. Conversely, the new Dr. Who is so damned popular that ot’s even annoying. I must be the only nerd who doesn’t care for it at all.
Regarding anime, there was a time in the very early ’90s when America went through a phase, let’s call it, “Anime is more than just Speed Racer and Voltron!” There was a great effort to show us all the “mature” side of animation from Japan, often to a harsh extreme. A UHF station in Chicago used to have anime at midnight on Fridays. It was all anime with violence/sexual content. Any nudity and extreme gore was blurred out, but that’s how first learned about anime back then.
Sorry Frank, I had forgotten that you had accused me of not knowing what irony is.
Maybe you can correct me about usage here: “I find it ironic that I received a tongue lashing about judging artistic output from a person who’s made a career out of doing the exact same thing.”
Also, I know I’m not worthy enough to state this, but the Molly Ivins joke didn’t seem that funny to me.
Now I get to sit back and wait to hear how fat my mama is. I sprinkled some irony on that, I hope you can taste it.