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Weekend Discussion Thread: MSTed Villains Who Deserve an Origins MovieAlert regular Duke of Puddles opines:
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VILLAGE OF THE GIANTS –
We have a group of pseudo-teenagers traveling in what was a fairly nice car until they wreck it. A series of events caused them to become giants, but the question is why did they become giant heinder-holes? They are all attractive young folks who are treated decently by the town yet they are major jerks in return. What element in their collective upbringing caused this? Were they not breast fed? Was it violent Saturday morning cartoons like Popeye?
I want to find out all about another sword & sorcery villain, Troxartas of Deathstalker fame. I’m sure he had a fascinatingly evil childhood, and that could be fun to watch. But mostly I’m interested in the training sequences with a cardboard sword, and the labored, breathy-tone speech lessons. Where on earth did his parents find such specialists to teach him? And when did they realize that their son’s blooming villainy was going to be very standard and boring without a little unique quirk or two?
Sampo, thanks for using my topic!
Rat Fink.
if there’s not a big budget trilogy with his story then i don’t know WHAT people want these days.
could we also find out why his hawk doesn’t sound like a hawk?
Lodac from The Magic Sword.
Kalgan from ‘Space Mutiny’. How did he become so over the top crazy? Does he have space madness from never been on a planet?
Mere days after the events in The Beginning of the End. Peter Graves snaps and purposely creates a race of killer cockroaches.
The military soon discovers however that if they destroy Mr. Graves the cockroaches will die off as well.
Was going to say that too, except we already KNOW his origin at the end of the movie–He’s the business guy who, like Merv Griffin, wanted to lurk and snoop more, but just didn’t have the spare time.
I was just watching The Land That Time Forgot, so I’m going with Dietz. As Jonah points out, he’s barely in the movie, and then at the end we have to accept him as the big bad.
Also, I’d like to see the origin of the styracosaurus, when someone orders a triceratops with a side of spice.
Either Torgo or McPherson that way we find out what happened to their knees.
Dr. Ted Nelson- why did he love Crackers so? What are the beginnings of his catch phrase- H’odgka? Why the skull cap and marrying a woman with protruding hips? So many questions that can only be answered with a prequel.
but there was no origin movie…
Kudos to Duke of Puddles for a great WDT idea! Although it would probably be unbelievably icky, I want backstory on Yuri of “Wahr-wilf.” Why was he such a selfish, greedy jerk? Why was he willing to drug and experiment on innocent human beings? And WHAT is the deal with his hair?!?
If we can mention Rifftrax — and I so often do — the character I **really** want background info on is Dame Judas of Treasonwald (forget her actual name) in “Jack the Giant Killer.” By the way, Dame Judas of Treasonwald makes an excellent RPG name.
would the title be ‘AAD-chka!! the dr. tom nelson story?
It’s not that hard to accept. Throughout the narrative, he constantly objected to the captain’s willingness to cooperate with Tyler et al.
It’s Lady Constance, according to the film’s Wikipedia entry.
TEENAGERS FROM OUTER SPACE –
What’s the backstory on Thor the the total dickweed who goes around ray gunning all manner of innocent creatures? It is hinted that their planet had a peaceful society in the not too distant past until an evil pinhead took over as Fearless Leader. Could it be that Thor was just a joiner and became one of the rabid, no-matter-what supporters of Fearless Leader who disdain other peoples and loath the more humane period in their history? I know it sounds unreal, but it somehow seems familiar.
Ah, but that’s just where you are WRONG, goalieboy! ;)
There’d BE an origin movie–or at least the gathered-up bits of an abandoned origin movie, with some hastily filmed, tacked-on footage, done in an utterly failed attempt to add cohesion to it. To be sure, there’d be no plot… there’d be no motivation, not tortured past in which to explore the psychology of the supposed “villain”. There’d be no production values, no logic, no SENSE whatsover. There’s be no phone to ring, but instead, as before, some person IMITATING the sound of a phone ringing. And, in the end, yes, you guessed it, there’d be no monster.
Oh, but the movie…. the movie… oh dear Lord, THE MOVIE… THAT there WOULD be.
Now available at Rifftrax:
“Vacation Days,” the fourth in the Teen Agers series riffed by Bridget and Mary Jo.
The short “What is a Map” riffed by Mike, Kevin, and Bill.
The VOD “Subspecies IV: The Awakening” riffed by Mike, Kevin, and Bill.
Enjoy.
one “like” for “heinder-holes” alone…
Definitely not from Popeye – I watched Popeye all the time and never ended up like that. In fact, after this I’m watching select cartoons from my new The 1940s volume 2.
I suppose, if they thought Bluto was cool….
Speaking of villains, two more movie theaters have closed in my neighborhood this month, due to jerks jacking up the rent.
That brings the total to four theaters in the past three years.
I need both hands to count how many movie theaters have closed here in the past fifteen years.
I have a really bad feeling that Torgo’s origin story would be pretty much “Manos: The Hands of Fate” all over again since, after all, Michael ends up as the new Torgo. :?
But yeah, the knee question would be great to have answered. Perhaps a WDT – “How the h*** did Torgo’s knees get that way….?”
;-)
Upon watching the trailer for “Subspecies IV: The Awakening,” I can only wonder — is a vimpire [sic] like a wahr-wilf???
Flag on the moon. How DID it get there?
Okay, that’s obvious and pretty lame, but I couldn’t resist. :) Also, I have to say that I am consistently impressed with the ingenuity of all of you who contribute regularly to this site. I am an ENGLISH PROFESSOR, but most of the time I can’t come up with anything. So, hats off to you, my fellow Misties; you inspire me, and help me turn back to face the many essays I must grade (right now, for example) with a smile on my face.
You have Professor Gunter right here. Perhaps he will put on his linguistics mortar board and answer that question for you, and while he is at it perhaps he can delineate the difference between torture and “TORCHAH!!”.
“Master and Torgo: The Early Years”. Lance Calvin and his friend Torrance Gore travel the highways of the desert southwest, having fun and being all around good guys. Until Lance meets a mysterious man in a truck stop. Despite Torrance’s protestations, Lance ends up being drawn deeper and deeper into a polygamist group in a remote farm house. Torrance hatches a scheme to get his friend out of the cult, involving fire and a phony voice of evil. It goes horribly wrong, kills the leader, and leaves Torrance mentally and physically wounded. Lance, meanwhile, doesn’t see it as an opportunity to get out, he sees it as an opportunity to take over. The wounded Torrance (who can’t say his whole name anymore and just calls himself “Torgo”) doesn’t give up on his friend, and stays to watch the house, waiting for the chance to return Lance to sanity.
The one most likely to get an origin, because he’s been portrayed in more movies than just one. Fu Manchu.
Another would be The Dark One from Robot Holocaust. Was he always a sentient giant plant that encased people in avocados? Did he build Valeria, Torque and the other robots himself, or did he hire an outside contractor? And if Valeria was always a robot, why did she need to use the Pleasure Machine?
One of the mysteries of modern life: why raising the rent until your tenant goes broke is so widely considered to be a good business strategy. And why Hollywood thinks that raising their cut of the ticket price until the theater goes broke is a good plan.
“Young Deputy Geronimo” stars Casey Afleck as twenty-something sheriff’s deputy Thomas Jefferson Geronimo, on his madcap trail of destruction through south Texas. Geronimo arrests two DEA agents for drug possession, blows out the stained glass window of the Catholic church, detains a Border Patrol vehicle that was on it’s way to stop a truckload of enslaved illegals, and shoots out the tires of the county Judge’s golf cart after it failed to come to a full and complete stop before crossing the dirt road between the seventh hole and the eighth tee.
(Since this was supposed to be about back stories of villains, and just so I’m sure on this one, Joe Don Baker WAS the villain of Final Justice, wasn’t he? He caused the most physical destruction and breakdown of respect for legitimate authority. Those Italian guys were just innocent bystanders as far as I can tell.)
Endoplasmic:
Well said.
Some of the theaters in my neighborhood closed for other reasons, but it’s still sad.
Wasn’t he also the villain in “Robot vs. the Aztec Mummy”? IIRC that’s where his lurking-around-outside footage was from, anyway. ;-)
Also, Sartoris. His cult seems to consist of near-mindless minions — Pipper was evidently able to repeatedly avoid capture by, I don’t know, hiding under the sink OSLT whenever they searched his cabin — yet HE’S the one who took seven years to think of looking for Thomas McGregor’s map in Thomas McGregor’s HOUSE?
Sartoris was not Canadian. Not. No way. They just don’t grow evil cult leaders in Alberta. I mean sure, bad stuff can happen there. Maybe Jack Frost will jump out from behind a quaking aspen and nip your nose now and again, but no trench coat wearing evil cult leaders. Nuh-uh. So where did he come from? Come on down here to the lower 48 where we’ve got your militia leaders and your anti-science cultists 3 for $10 at Walmart, but I don’t think Sartoris is from the U S of A. Perhaps he was born at a very early age in Euroslovia like Yuri and Natalie from WAR-WILF?
For that matter, the Robot Holocaust itself:
Such is the nature of low-budget 70’s-80’s post-apocalyptic movies that the entire destruction and subjugation of humanity is covered in the opening pre-credits with a brief one-line explanation of “So, umm…yeah–THIS happened. Anyway:”
TISCWSLABMUZ prequel, primarily to explain how Madame Estrella’s penchant for “zombification” of others first developed, and why.
What in Estrella’s and Carmelita’s (that gooey chocolate’s) upbringing helped steer them to a life of evil in the carnival.
Would also be (somewhat) interesting to see:
How Ortega was recruited.
What made all the singers/dancers/musicians in the film think that a career in the performing arts made any kind of sense.
How Harold arrived in Long Beach, California from Latvia (or Estonia, or Czechoslovakia, or wherever in Eastern Europe).
And how did the Schick get out of shape to begin with?
if we’re including RiffTrax, what exactly did cause the eagles of Birdemic to go on a killing spree (and just as importantly, what caused them to suddenly stop)
Probably for the same basic reason that ANY selfish, greedy jerk is a selfish, greedy jerk: Answer Unclear, Check Back Later
i can’t believe that no one’s mentioned the elusive one Robert Denby
Once . . . . . it was a carpet. An ordinary carpet – or so it seemed – lying on a showroom floor.
But then
RAYS
from an alien planet whose technology was beyond our comprehension turned it into a terrifying CREATURE
with hypnotic powers that drove earthlings to climb into its very jaws!!!!!!!
Do you DARE to watch –
TERROR: THE CREEPING BEGINS
The prequel I want is one that doesn’t just show how Torgo, The Master, and company got together. I want an explanation of just what the hell the cult was about and trying to accomplish. The cult in Final Sacrifice wanted to excavate an ancient city so they could rule the world. This might have been a stupid plan, but at least it was a plan.
Despite the countless times I’ve watched Manos I’ve never been able to get anything resembling a clear picture of the nature of the Deity(?) Manos, what he wanted (if anything) from his worshipers, or what the cult expected in return. Is Manos a pagan fertility God, an abstract entity, a Lovecraftian horror? What? And were the worshipers in it for immortality, power, dry cleaning, or just for kicks? What the samscratch is going on here?
One-eye in Hellcats: Did she get in a fight with Daryl Hannah ; ) Hopefully not the same fate as the main character in They Called her One-eye (aka Cruel…something)
Pitch in Santa Claus: Obviously a lesser devil. What exactly did he do? Did Satan pitch in? It’s has to do with Xmas and kids so I’m not sure we want to know.
Kitten of the Whip: You know what I’m talking about. It all climaxes in that institution she escaped from. The build up to that time should be fun. Grrrrr
Touch of Satan: Granny, the Hustle years.
Ortega and His Lady: The flame of their love has died. What went wrong and when? How?
Squirm: Wormface’s story has been done. A much better film called Deliverance.
I’d like to see Livia’s origin story, from “The Undead”.
I’m not sure it would be interesting, but it wouldn’t matter, as long as it involved Allison Hayes, not to mention that dress. ;)
Eeewww, the notion of Torgo with a lovely young wife and little daughter is kind of . . . well, unpleasant. Not to mention the dog . . .
Evil Toy Monkey: Origins
Was the Evil Toy Monkey made intentionally as a cursed item? Or was it once a harmless toy that became possessed by a demon or a ghost? How did Merlin get it? From the medium on TV? Why can’t he just destroy the damn thing, instead of keeping it in (very easily escaped) custody?
I expect that this movie will be part of the Conjuring Cinematic Universe.
A mini-series about Galanno (or was is La Strada?) from Mitchel would rival The Sopranos.
That was Bert I. Gordon’s middle-aged white guy take on the 1960s youth counterculture, which, like many a middle-aged white guy, he saw as a bunch of ungrateful kids who wanted to tear society down yet had nothing to offer in its place.
Once they became giants, they (and/or Bert) didn’t even have enough imagination to do much of anything with it. They extorted the town by kidnapping a little girl; they could’ve done that WITHOUT being giants.
In fact, if they’d done that without being giants, it’d have been like a super-intense variation of “Teen-Age Crime Wave” and would probably have been a, for lack of a more appropriate term, “better” movie.
And notice how the torn-out telephone lines, overturned broadcasting antennas, and blocked roads didn’t just fail to prevent the short people at the end from finding out what was going on in the town, it didn’t even prevent them from REACHING the town? The giants couldn’t even properly isolate a small town in the 1960s. Aliens do that all the time. Oh well.
Well, an alien showroom floor…
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Lionel Timothy Kobras. We obviously came in at the end of his story, but where did it start? Could he have been an errant Blofeld clone? Or something slightly less derivative?
About Manos . . . I’ve always been confused by people calling the Master, et al., a “cult”. I mean, HE seems to be some kind of supernatural evil spirit himself. So is he a lesser demon to whatever Manos is, sort of like Pitch is to Satan? Wouldn’t that make the Valley Loogie more a little island of Hell itself in the desert than a kind of church? These are the kinds of vital issues a prequel could sort out for us.
Speaking of Master/Manos vs. Pitch/Satan … The prequel could be made as a kind of dark version of Santa Claus–Manos sends the Master to earth to ruin Christmas for all the little children of earth, the Master wins, and Santa devolves into Torgo. Ick, now for a good, hot shower . . .
The Misadventures of Pitch the Dancing Demon.
Sinister Urge:
Kline – How’d he get that dependable reputation so that the lieutenant just leaves him in charge. He can do it all and looks great in a dress.
Gloria – How’d she get in charge? Did she sleep her way to the top? Was she a former model? And where did she get her wardrobe? I want to know!
Related to that crossover idea a few weeks back, I want to see a movie about Dr. Carlo Lombardi and The Great Vorelli as rival students at Unethical Hypnosis University. Maybe Dr. Neil Connery is also there, as a student who wants to learn how to use unethical hypnosis for good instead of evil.